Pro Stock rules meeting (4 Viewers)

[none]

Insert Bill Barney story here...

Tech Guy: Your engine is checking big.

Racer: Can't be, the guy I bought it from said it's a 283!

Alan

 

[SS140]

But in 1982 NHRA said 500 cubic inches and 2350 pounds. Have at it. The next major change was 2016 when they EFI and rev-limiter era began. That's 34 years of no rules being changed and no manufacturer being targeted. Darrel Alderman won three championships, Allen Johnson won one and "The Dodge Boys" won numerous races and no rules or procedure was made to slow them down. So you can't really claim that there have been constant efforts to punish MOPAR.

Alan is right here...

By 1981, The Hemi had one of the most favorable weight breaks in Pro Stock... While NHRA might have been the problem in 1972-'73, by the 500" era...Chrysler was the problem. The short wheelbase Hemi cars were at 6.4 lbs./CI and the long wheelbase Cleveland (Read: Fairmont) was at 7.1, NHRA was not the problem. The issue was the lack of aftermarket for the Hemi. The 1980/81 cars were using modified 383 blocks, with 6-year-old heads and factory valve gear. (I've got one of these pieces, some interesting tech under the valve cover!)

By the 500" era, Chrysler had no new blocks and heads. Reid Whisnant was using highly welded D4 heads from 1974 on his Landy-built 500" stuff. Fortunately, the KB block was allowed. While some aftermarket appeared (Dart Engineering heads), there were still valvetrain issues with the 426 Hemi that really wouldn't be resolved until the late 90's with the advent of the Barton/T&D valve gear.

 

[mick]

....... I have an "unapproved" part, There is no rule covering this part. If I present it for approval, then it's not a secret anymore and any advantage I may have had is gone. Or they may make a rule deeming my part illegal ......

in some sense of this meaning, i believe this is what the PS meeting was about. i could be wrong.

 

[Rich D]

Insert Bill Barney story here...

Back in the 90's when I was working on a TAD team, I always heard whispers about Bill Barney, but never got the actual story...would love to know. He certainly made a quick exit from the racing scene around 1990? The other story I also heard (true or not?) was about a alcohol funny car team getting busted for having a body prop that took King Kong to carry. They could be 50lbs on the track but then roll over the scales and be on the money. Truth or fiction Randy??

 

[cknight]

Back in the 90's when I was working on a TAD team, I always heard whispers about Bill Barney, but never got the actual story...would love to know. He certainly made a quick exit from the racing scene around 1990? The other story I also heard (true or not?) was about a alcohol funny car team getting busted for having a body prop that took King Kong to carry. They could be 50lbs on the track but then roll over the scales and be on the money. Truth or fiction Randy??

There were a number of TAD's with heavy header covers, heavy injector covers, Small bores on the front two cylinders, long strokes on the back three crank throws. And lead plugs in the helmets when going across the scales.

 

[Cliff]

I read that Bill Barney was claiming a certain size engine, but in reality, engine was too big. He got busted for it & that was that. He had Castrol as a sponsor at the time, lost that. On the subject of lead lined helmets, Jim Dunn was kinda infamous for that. The first F/C he ran was underweight, thus the helmet. I remember him running 6.90's when that was quick.

 

[Randy]

Back in the day tech would typically pump cylinder #1. One day they decided to mix it up and check another hole. Come to find out, cylinder #1 was the only legitimate hole. Everything he accomplished now has an asteric *.

Our tech guy Jim came in my pit one day at Las Vegas and asked to see the injector off the supercharger, supercharger off the manifold, and the 2-4-6-8 head removed. My guys complied, and we took a chair while he had his way with our stuff. After he was done I told him anyone caught cheating even once would taint everything they've done in their racing career. I won't risk it.

The heavy body pole made quite a noise when it was accidentally dropped. Things like that and lead shot found in pouches inside engine covers is why funny car bodies must be down, and no engine or header tube covers were allowed through the scales.

 

[M Jones]

Back in the day tech would typically pump cylinder #1. One day they decided to mix it up and check another hole. Come to find out, cylinder #1 was the only legitimate hole. Everything he accomplished now has an asteric *.

Our tech guy Jim came in my pit one day at Las Vegas and asked to see the injector off the supercharger, supercharger off the manifold, and the 2-4-6-8 head removed. My guys complied, and we took a chair while he had his way with our stuff. After he was done I told him anyone caught cheating even once would taint everything they've done in their racing career. I won't risk it.

The heavy body pole made quite a noise when it was accidentally dropped. Things like that and lead shot found in pouches inside engine covers is why funny car bodies must be down, and no engine or header tube covers were allowed through the scales.

I never understood how some one that knew they were cheating that bad could not see a lying fake in the reflection in the mirror, now making sure your your on the limits is being smart and part of the total win for a driver and crew, cheating never made sense to me