my friends call me Zappy
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Oh yes Brian, Dunn nailed it that time, bullseye Mike.
Quote of the month there.
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Oh yes Brian, Dunn nailed it that time, bullseye Mike.
Quote of the month there.
Rexfiles
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Tim5636sc
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Would you expect anything less from a lifetime Red Sox Fan???
Good one Patrick...Professional Fan
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Tim, I wasn't going to respond but...I did make a mistake in my original post-I talked to the PRO member Friday morning and was told that the meeting was Saturday morning. Unfortunately I put Friday as the meeting date in my post by mistake. You got me there!
I'll stand by the rest of my post-my post indicated what PRO's proposal was going to be. The obvious result of the meeting, as mentioned by many on this board, was that PRO lost and backed down from the NHRA.
I didn't mention who I had talked to because I had not asked that person whether it was OK to quote them in public. I would not make the mistake of quoting someone without their permission.
I do not post to this board very often as I don't feel the need to constantly make my views known or slam other people. I only post when I think I have something to offer. The fact that NHRA and Bruton clubbed PRO over the head again does not change the fact that this result is certainly not what PRO intended when they went to the meeting. Or do you think the decision to have 4 Wide next year was PROs idea?
I've tried to make my comments as factual as possible as I don't have the time or desire to criticize or insult people I have never met.
Tim5636sc
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Fair enough Brian. Sorry if my post was a bit harsh on you. Stand up response. Thanks
glofria
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We find it more entertaining going to the track with our own car and running it at the local events. Best wishes to NHRA in their future endevors, their demise is coming like a freight train in a tunnel.
If Mr. Smith want two more lanes at Vegas, thats fine with me. Just don't expect us to compete there under those conditions. There is a new option to race at in Southern Utah.
Tim5636sc
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And I think that place is going to be very cool. I was there on Wed night before heading into town and it's looking like a very great location for a cool 1/8 mile track... But, they don't call it Hurricane, Utah for nothing... wind could be an issue, but I look forward to racing there. My Dad lives about 10 miles away.
I’ve probably written and had published more negative things about NHRA than most people, and I’m working on an “Up Front” editorial for Competitionplus.com right now, but there are a few comments on this thread that just can’t be ignored.
Ray Rains, no one forces ANY racer to compete. The racers make those decisions based on their own best judgment. What makes you suggest the Four-wide Nationals was an unsafe race? I believe, from all reports, that the track and the NHRA Safety Safari absolutely had everything under control at zMax Dragway.
PS: The PRO isn’t about “to grow a pair.” They’ve had years to do it and despite a healthy diet and lots of fresh air they appear to be the size of baby peas.
Rather than go into detail here I respectfully suggest you read what we published over the weekend, when more than one driver said that they felt safe while racing in the four-wide configuration.
Chris Williams’s comment explains in minimal verbiage exactly why boycotts usually don’t work in drag racing. First one guy thinks, Hmmmm, I could win the fifty grand, and then another thinks it, and another until the fields are full.
I think there’s something else that the members here need to think about, and that’s their own chronological ages and their ability, or lack thereof, to look at drag racing with a fresh perspective. I’m a firm believer in the quarter mile concept, not 1,000 foot drag racing, but until someone figures out an equitable way of slowing the cars and gets everyone to agree to it, that thousand foot deal is where we’re at. It’s still drag racing, it’s still loud, it’s still exciting, and if we can only have that with 1,000 racing, then so be it. Better that than no drag racing at all.
Paul, you are so right, and until the racers fully comprehend that THEY ARE THE SHOW no significant changes will occur.
Mr. Payne, it IS a show. It IS a circus. We should be embracing that, not running from it. It was a show back in the 60s, too. We just didn’t recognize it as such.
After all, what’s a match race if not a show?
Jon Asher
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Ray Rains, no one forces ANY racer to compete. The racers make those decisions based on their own best judgment. What makes you suggest the Four-wide Nationals was an unsafe race? I believe, from all reports, that the track and the NHRA Safety Safari absolutely had everything under control at zMax Dragway.
PS: The PRO isn’t about “to grow a pair.” They’ve had years to do it and despite a healthy diet and lots of fresh air they appear to be the size of baby peas.
Rather than go into detail here I respectfully suggest you read what we published over the weekend, when more than one driver said that they felt safe while racing in the four-wide configuration.
Chris Williams’s comment explains in minimal verbiage exactly why boycotts usually don’t work in drag racing. First one guy thinks, Hmmmm, I could win the fifty grand, and then another thinks it, and another until the fields are full.
I think there’s something else that the members here need to think about, and that’s their own chronological ages and their ability, or lack thereof, to look at drag racing with a fresh perspective. I’m a firm believer in the quarter mile concept, not 1,000 foot drag racing, but until someone figures out an equitable way of slowing the cars and gets everyone to agree to it, that thousand foot deal is where we’re at. It’s still drag racing, it’s still loud, it’s still exciting, and if we can only have that with 1,000 racing, then so be it. Better that than no drag racing at all.
Paul, you are so right, and until the racers fully comprehend that THEY ARE THE SHOW no significant changes will occur.
Mr. Payne, it IS a show. It IS a circus. We should be embracing that, not running from it. It was a show back in the 60s, too. We just didn’t recognize it as such.
After all, what’s a match race if not a show?
Jon Asher
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Competitionplus.com
Jon if you do that you will need to sidebar the story with the reasons the Fraternal Union of Crew Members was formed!
Fight Club? Never heard of it?
Mike you caught the gist right outta the box. PRO used to be quiet, no leakage was ever tolerated, nor ever allowed.
megadeth
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Jon I truly enjoy reading your articles and prespective of the NHRA. I want to know what your feeling is on what will happen if the EPA adds nitromethane to the toxic release list.
I think it would eliminate pit access for one but for the sport as a whole I'm very concerned.
I agree with what you said about PRO and thought they were about to grow a set until the latest 360. I did like and have a new found added respect for Morgan after what he said at his top end interview.
Rexfiles
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megadeth
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I still don't like 4 wide, I don't like the countdown, I still believe PRO has more leverage then they seem to believe and I still thought that they were right about voting the way they did about 4 wide! So not much has changed with my feelings Rex!
I do love drag racing have ever since I was a kid... I know change is necessary, but the way they implement it is abrupt and without taking into consideration the fans and owner drivers especially the older base fans. It's more of a dictatorship in my opinion.
There have been failures and successes but more of the latter of late but that's just my opinion.
I do like Jon's take on a lot of the current situations that exist in Drag Racing.
I agree with him about 1000' foot racing and do want to see 1320' again but only when a total agreement between owners, drivers and NHRA deem it so!
The sooner the better in my book!
glofria
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When it comes to this topic, think of it as national health care; It doesn't matter what you think, the powers that be are smarter than you and know what is best for everyone. Your getting it whether you like it or not.
Oh, and you'll learn to like it because that what they think (or want to think), everyone is going to like it. How does that old saying go, "Trust me..."
Oh, and you'll learn to like it because that what they think (or want to think), everyone is going to like it. How does that old saying go, "Trust me..."
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Rexfiles
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I still don't like 4 wide, I don't like the countdown, I still believe PRO has more leverage then they seem to believe and I still thought that they were right about voting the way they did about 4 wide! So not much has changed with my feelings Rex!
And of course, you have every right on earth to them. As far as PRO, I have NEVER (not yelling, empathizing
Me too. Since my very first day, my one and only true love. Well, I love my dog too..........and my Mom, and........
As far as the "dictatorship part, so is the NFL, the NBA, NASCAR, you name it. I remember when boxing went from 15 to 12 rounds after Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini offed Doo Koo Kim. There was no internet, but you would still think the world was coming to an end.
You are probably right, at least that is the feeling I'm beginning to get.
So do I, and so do I.
But, I meant a 180 degree turn, not 360, that would mean they voted for it, before they voted against it, before they voted for it.
Whew
REX
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Rexfiles
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When it comes to this topic, think of it as national health care; It doesn't matter what you think, the powers that be are smarter than you and know what is best for everyone. Your getting it whether you like it or not.
Oh, and you'll learn to like it because that what they think (or want to think), everyone is going to like it. How does that old saying go, "Trust me..."
"Trust me...I'm here to........help".
REX
