Force and T Ped going at it in the shutdown?

[n/a]

I will never again buy another part at Advance as long as their name is on a Pedregon car. And I would run Wesson oil before I'd put Quaker State in another vehicle.

Again, I'm not taking either side (force or ped) in this discussion...
but if we quit buying oil, and parts from these two companies mentioned above, you can certainly eliminate two more cars from the F/C field in the near future...

Do we really want to see that happen... the car counts are so low now, can we really afford to loose anymore?

Think of this impending move also... 8 car fields... 4 from Force / 4 from DSR... events held on 4 lane race tracks... Whoa-la! You've got National events that maybe last all of 4 or 5 hours?
I like the old days much better (see link)

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Larry

 

[toffer]

As a forty year fan, I'm disappointed. I am, however, not unaware of how most big business works today.

Whenever two or more of anything are owned and controlled by the same group, there is only one "team". If you're not helping the team you're hurting it. Force and others are rounding errors on the balance sheet of BP and their ilk, and it's pretty much contribute or get run over. You can conduct yourself and your business ethically and with class, but when the "real" big money guys are calling the shots that's a rock and a hard place I wouldn't want to be in between.

I personally think the dive he took should have been into an ambulance and he could have watched the rest of the event with Coil.

 

["Dr. Dirt"]

overheard at Indy?

10 year old kid with John Force hat and shirt on: "Dad what just happened, the car just went to the right."

Dad: "Son, despite the fact that you've been looking forward to seeing John race for the first time in person, and we spent $300 to get here and tickets...well, John had to throw that race to let Robert Hight into the Countdown."

10 year old kid: "But why?, John intentionally lost? I thought he was a CHAMPION, I was looking forward to this all year."


Explanation?

Overheard at Major League Baseball game:

10-year-old boy wearing T-shirt and cap of (Choose one: Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriquez, Jose Canseco, Mark McGwire) "I hope (one of the above players) hits a home run today. They're my favorite player!"

Dad: "Well, (player) is a great hitter but a lot of the home runs he hit were helped along by the performance enhancing drugs he took."

10-year-old-boy: "You mean (player) was taking steroids so the ball would go farther when he hit it? But he's a big league player!"

Overheard at NFL football game:

10-year-old boy (wearing New York Giants T-shirt and cap): "I can't wait to see Plaxico Burress catch a touchdown pass today. He's a great wide receiver and my favorite player!

Dad: "Well, Plaxico won't be playing today. He was sent to prison for accidentally shooting himself with an unregistered handgun."

10-year-old boy: "He's a criminal? How can that be? He's a Super Bowl champion!

Overheard at NASCAR race:

10-year-old boy (wearing Jeremy Mayfield T-shirt and cap): "I hope Jeremy Mayfield wins the race today! He's my favorite driver!"

Dad: "Well, Jeremy won't be racing today and may not be back for a long time. He failed a random drug test and was suspended for substance abuse by NASCAR.

10-year-old boy: "Jeremy Mayfield was using drugs? How can that be? He's one of the best drivers out there!"

Explanation? Even our heroes are only human. We all are.

Thanks Bill, I needed the morning chuckle!
I fear you've made just too much sense here for the Force Haters to buy. They NEED this injustice to partially counter-balance all the good he's done for the sport so they can continue to hate him and your dosage of reality is just too much for them to swallow (and I fear understand.)
Thanks for all you have done for our sport and thanks for your comments.

 

[Billy]

Thanks. What's really important in all this is that we care enough about the sport to criticize it, defend it, accept what is, hope for better, but at the end of the day, remain in love it. Even when it's not easy to do. Kind of like having kids.

 

[Bullet]

"Build a T/F dragster and put Franky Pedregon in it."

GOLD!! Absolute GOLD!!

 

[TJ]

I don't think the Force bashing is due to his obvious dive but rather how he handled himself w/ Pedregon in front of the general public. He looked like a complete mess.

From this board and the many others it looks as if Force lost alot of the respect he had from fans/racers and the Pedregons earned some brownie points for speaking up.

 

[desertnitro]

This entire thread has gotten way to entertaining considering it’s all about some people trying to make a living. This whole discussion is about two groups of people trying to make a buck, the haves and the have not quite as much.

 

[Bullard Anderson]

Thanks Bill for making my point ever more clear.

Yep, we must lump John Force into the same boat as Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, and countless others!!

He has failed us as well!!

Thanks Bill!

 

[Paul]

Thanks Bill for making my point ever more clear.

Yep, we must lump John Force into the same boat as Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, and countless others!!

He has failed us as well!!

Thanks Bill!

Good point!

 

[You!]

If there is any justice in the world, Tim Wilkerson will go on a tear now and win the 2009 championship. And he will earn enough points that the mathematicians will determine that he would have won it under the more traditional format too.

That will make everyone happy and finish the year up on a high note!

 

[my friends call me Zappy]

All this talk of "fine them" and suspentions....for what.?? Two guys had a shouting match - nothing more. Neither Tony or John put their hands on each other. The only contact was the officials in the black & white shirt & the guy in the red shirt that kept grabing John and draging him away. FINE THEM

As far as dives go, get over it, like it or not gang we have a TEAM sport. Baseball does it - football does it. No big deal.

We had a great race, good preformance, for several days - it's a shame to put all the focus on a 70 second argument.

 

[rollemup]

All this talk of "fine them" and suspentions....for what.?? Two guys had a shouting match - nothing more. Neither Tony or John put their hands on each other. The only contact was the officials in the black & white shirt & the guy in the red shirt that kept grabing John and draging him away. FINE THEM

As far as dives go, get over it, like it or not gang we have a TEAM sport. Baseball does it - football does it. No big deal.

We had a great race, good preformance, for several days - it's a shame to put all the focus on a 70 second argument.

.......oh no not Baseball and Football too, that's it you are all fired.....

 

[d'kid]

Gee, my roll models growing up were Connie, Jungle, Reyes, Mike's Grandpa, Waterbed Fred, O'D, Jon, Sit Low... need I go on...

d'kid
see my tag line

 

["Dr. Dirt"]

Thanks Bill for making my point ever more clear.

Yep, we must lump John Force into the same boat as Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, and countless others!!

He has failed us as well!!

Thanks Bill!

Steve, are you willing to admit all the others who have done it over the years and say the same about them or is this simply an opportunistic jab at Force? Let's be honest with ourselves. This isn't the first dive, first arguement, first NHRA rule questioned and/or first team to be involved.

 

[.]

Steve, are you willing to admit all the others who have done it over the years and say the same about them or is this simply an opportunistic jab at Force? Let's be honest with ourselves. This isn't the first dive, first arguement, first NHRA rule questioned and/or first team to be involved.

Bobby brings up an couple of interesting questions I have.

Has NHRA ever reviewed tape and Race Pak data to review round results because of diving?

Has anyone ever had a round win overturned because of diving, especially after the review?

I think, unless someone corrects me, the answer is no to both questions.

 

[Randy]

Calling someone a cripple in this age is kind of insensitive and offensive and inflammatory, in my opinion.

I don't know. For me, I'd like to hear from someone who witnessed that statement besides Force.

 

["Dr. Dirt"]

I don't know. For me, I'd like to hear from someone who witnessed that statement besides Force.

He probably made it up to justify the rant. That's the word I would have come up with if I was going to accuse someone of calling me a name.

 

[mastertone]

All this talk of "fine them" and suspentions....for what.?? Two guys had a shouting match - nothing more. Neither Tony or John put their hands on each other. The only contact was the officials in the black & white shirt & the guy in the red shirt that kept grabing John and draging him away. FINE THEM

As far as dives go, get over it, like it or not gang we have a TEAM sport. Baseball does it - football does it. No big deal.

We had a great race, good preformance, for several days - it's a shame to put all the focus on a 70 second argument.

Great post Paul!

 

[my friends call me Zappy]

Thanks. I just don't see what all the fuss is about, a dive is just the strategy of it.

 

[Randy]

Furthermore .. if the situation had been reversed, would Cruz have taken a dive for Tony .. my guess is yes.

I keep seeing these types of comments. You guys obviously didn't watch Brainard. I figured Tony would dive, and so did everyone else. But Tony beat him fair and square.

I also keep reading comments about how Tony would be nothing more than a 3rd string fill in test driver if it weren't for Force. I disagree.

There are a lot of folks who were able to start a team on nothing and become very competitive just because they had the desire burning in them. Truck driver John Force comes to mind. Photographer Whit Bazemore comes to mind. Alky dragster crew member Ron Capps comes to mind. Gas Station owner Tim Wilkerson comes to mind. Car Painter Don Prudhomme comes to mind. Should I go on?

Tony stands on his own two feet. No driver in the pits looking for a ride would have turned the Force ride down. Back when he took the ride Force was dominating. The big fight in points was to see who was going to be number two, not number one because Force had it locked.

Now the man on his own despite multi car teams has won a championship (2007) and JF had nothing to do with it. Tony Schumacher is proving there is more to winning than having one person watching your back. Like Gerrold said when he put his foot in his mouth when interviewing Tony after a run "Everybody wrote this team off..." Really?

RG

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