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yoda

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Chevy telling us that the Volt will achieve milage almost FOUR TIMES better than anything they are currently manufacturing, while all the while heading into the biggest financial meltdown ever seen in the history of America??? :confused:

You would think that if they really had this technology (that they have been able to refine in under 2 years after the pitiful initial press debut of the car?), they would have been going beyond full force to make this car not only the flagship of the line, but would have shelved EVERYTHING else to make sure they had this car in the hands of the public before they started running out of cash?

Me sense a bamboozle here of DeLoren proportions... :rolleyes:... truly a "take the money and run" scenario
 
I know, I saw that. I'm kinda wondering how they got that figure.

Just one thing - the Volt's gas engine is only used to charge the batteries. It's not used to drive the wheels, so it only needs to stay on for a short time. It looks to be a better car than the Prius - and you're buying American at the same time.
 
Chevy telling us that the Volt will achieve milage almost FOUR TIMES better than anything they are currently manufacturing, while all the while heading into the biggest financial meltdown ever seen in the history of America??? :confused:

You would think that if they really had this technology (that they have been able to refine in under 2 years after the pitiful initial press debut of the car?), they would have been going beyond full force to make this car not only the flagship of the line, but would have shelved EVERYTHING else to make sure they had this car in the hands of the public before they started running out of cash?

Me sense a bamboozle here of DeLoren proportions... :rolleyes:... truly a "take the money and run" scenario

possible or perhaps if this could be the car to propel you back to prosperity would you not want to wait to make sure everything is spot on before rolling any info out
 
possible or perhaps if this could be the car to propel you back to prosperity would you not want to wait to make sure everything is spot on before rolling any info out

When was the last brand new product that you've seen that was spot-on, Peej? How about releasing the 50 mpg version a couple of years ago as the company was sliding down the rabbit hole? How about letting the American public know that your company was serious about the commitment to make a more fuel efficient vehicle instead of sinking the capital into the H3 line?
How about explaining to folks WHY, when you rolled out the Volt a year ago for the press, that it barely made it to 30mph, and couldnt run itself uphill? :rolleyes: And now you expect me to believe that you not only have fixed that problem, but are now able to achieve more than double the m.p.g. of any comercial vehicle ever created in history? :confused:

Show me.
 
How about explaining to folks WHY, when you rolled out the Volt a year ago for the press, that it barely made it to 30mph, and couldnt run itself uphill? :rolleyes: And now you expect me to believe that you not only have fixed that problem, but are now able to achieve more than double the m.p.g. of any comercial vehicle ever created in history? :confused:

Exactly. This will backfire on Chevy. Too bad, I thought the Volt was a good idea...
 
When was the last brand new product that you've seen that was spot-on, Peej? How about releasing the 50 mpg version a couple of years ago as the company was sliding down the rabbit hole? How about letting the American public know that your company was serious about the commitment to make a more fuel efficient vehicle instead of sinking the capital into the H3 line?
How about explaining to folks WHY, when you rolled out the Volt a year ago for the press, that it barely made it to 30mph, and couldnt run itself uphill? :rolleyes: And now you expect me to believe that you not only have fixed that problem, but are now able to achieve more than double the m.p.g. of any comercial vehicle ever created in history? :confused:

Show me.
Yea but Martin, you're all for the CFC program..so let's use this bailout money and waste it. I don't see what the problem is..they have nothing to lose.
 
actually the mpg number may be understaed....yes I said understated. On the charge it will do 40 miles before the gas engine kicks in, which is does to recharge the battery. Supposedly most people generally drive less that 40 miles one way, especially those likely to buy this car. Some users may hardly use the gas which would increase.

Also I suppose it could be argued that the number is also misleading. You fill the tank up with gas, charge it and set the odometer at zero and start driving. You don't even touch the gas until roughly 40 miles into the trip. it kicks on charges the battery (don't know how long this takes under operation) then goes off again
 
.........and you're buying American at the same time.

sam,
you'd be buying a car who's headquarters is in the USA.......that's all.
please get this notion that the car and all it's parts are american manufactured
and assembled out of your head.
it's very possible that a prius purchase keeps just as money in this country
as a volt purchase.
 
I think a big issue with this is the cost. Supposedly about 40k to start although there will be 7-8k tax credit at the start. Still for that price I'm not sure people will choose this over cars in that price rnage. Drop it to 20-25 and it might take off.
 
Yea but Martin, you're all for the CFC program..so let's use this bailout money and waste it. I don't see what the problem is..they have nothing to lose.

They never have anything to lose, David... That's why I think this one has that reek of somebody trying to pull a fast one, as opposed to the CFC program which was so successful that its volume surprised everyone involved. Lots of crappy cars off the road, lots of new cars moving out of American showrooms- where do you see a problem with that, Mr. Williams?
 
They never have anything to lose, David... That's why I think this one has that reek of somebody trying to pull a fast one, as opposed to the CFC program which was so successful that its volume surprised everyone involved. Lots of crappy cars off the road, lots of new cars moving out of American showrooms- where do you see a problem with that, Mr. Williams?
Well I guess there isn't a problem then. Ya know..in this prosperous economy we can just print another $2 billion for the program. Deficit running at $1.27 TRILLION estimated to be $1.8 TRILLION by Sept. Hmmm..I wonder if my taxes will go up? I guess maybe that's where my problem is.
 
sam,
you'd be buying a car who's headquarters is in the USA.......that's all.
please get this notion that the car and all it's parts are american manufactured
and assembled out of your head.
it's very possible that a prius purchase keeps just as money in this country
as a volt purchase.

I know that the car may be assembled in Mexico or Canada, but the money made goes to the US. A Toyota may be made in the US but the money made goes back to Japan. That's the difference.
 
I know that the car may be assembled in Mexico or Canada, but the money made goes to the US. A Toyota may be made in the US but the money made goes back to Japan. That's the difference.

whatever sam.
free markets are not bound by borders or boundaries.
a business' advantage engaging in international commerce is no different than interstate commerce.
you must really struggle with your electronic purchases.
 
I think a big issue with this is the cost. Supposedly about 40k to start although there will be 7-8k tax credit at the start. Still for that price I'm not sure people will choose this over cars in that price rnage. Drop it to 20-25 and it might take off.


Okay, so they get a tax credit for buying this Volt thingy. Then they go so many miles without filling up, and then gasoline revenues go down, therefore taxes generated from gasoline sales for the road tax go down, so now the roads cant be fixed so they jack the tax up more to make up for the loss in taxes...oy, my head hurts.
 
I know that the car may be assembled in Mexico or Canada, but the money made goes to the US. A Toyota may be made in the US but the money made goes back to Japan. That's the difference.

So they import that Japaneese people to the plants down here to build the cars? Pay them in yen?
 
I know that the car may be assembled in Mexico or Canada, but the money made goes to the US. A Toyota may be made in the US but the money made goes back to Japan. That's the difference.

Sam, Sam, Sam.... PLEASE tell me that you know that GM, Ford and Chrysler are international companies with international stockholders that are paid dividends from the profits on ALL products sold in the company portfolio of products? :o

Their headquarters are in Michigan, but their reach spans the globe- I see more Fords when I'm in Europe than almost anything else (except for the SEAT, which when they come over here, will bury the American small car market- well built, styish and fast.)
South America is swarming with GM products, and you are hard pressed not to find Chrysler products all over Germany (The 300C wagon is BRILLIANT! Magnum should have never been a product line).
Those cars aren't built over here and exported in any mass quantity- they are built and sold there, and the workers that build them there don't share their salaries with their American counterparts. Profits, after being disbursed to the dealers in those countries, is rolled into the INTERNATIONAL pool that feeds the various world markets. YOU could buy stock on the Japanese exchange, the German exchange, the French exchange, and profit or suffer from the sales, or lack thereof, of these worldwide conglomorates- that still carry the Ford or GM name... Its one big world out there, buddy- don't be on the wrong side of the wall when it goes up....
 
I KNOW the big three are international. But, for cars and trucks built for and sold in the US, I don't think the money that's made on a US-bound car goes to the UK, for example. It goes to the US first.

BTW, there are plenty of great cars that the big three could sell here, but don't. :mad:
 
I KNOW the big three are international. But, for cars and trucks built for and sold in the US, I don't think the money that's made on a US-bound car goes to the UK, for example. It goes to the US first.

BTW, there are plenty of great cars that the big three could sell here, but don't. :mad:

Depends on what you mean by "first". Yes, the folks on the assembly line get theirs "first". Yes, the dealers that sold the cars get theirs "first" (sort of- manufacturer/distributor/dealership deals make stong men cry they are so jacked up). Outside vendors don't quite get theirs "first", but they are pretty high up on the totem pole. So, yes- all the folks that you show concern about probably get theirs "first". But the market folks, speculators and investment houses all over the world get their slice out of the same pie. There isn't a "this country, that country" thing when it comes to where the actual PROFITS go- and don't doubt that there were a bunch of sheiks that LOVED holding GM stock up until a year ago... (Even though word on the street today is that GM is the stock to buy now- it won't stay low forever...)
 
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