Pro Stock tire controversy

[mgty3whlr]

The idea behind the liner was to stiffen the sidewall to help them with tire shake however, That rim modification was illegal because like Mike said, It was done to an SFI approved rim. Kinda funny how it seems like Elite is the only one with problems.

 

[none]

Its not an inner tube, it's an inner liner that acts as the bead lock. They are legal in Pro Mod and the Alcohol classes. But not Pro Stock.
There's an intervies with Richard on Comp+ where he explains his side.
Alan

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[65 Goatboy]

Alan will always be the voice of reason no matter who he works for.

 

[mike]

Its not an inner tube, it's an inner liner that acts as the bead lock. They are legal in Pro Mod and the Alcohol classes. But not Pro Stock.
There's an intervies with Richard on Comp+ where he explains his side.
Alan

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As far as I know there is no wheel that has a bead lock that you run a liner with -Putting the second valve stem in is needed to run the liner this is a not ever been [illegal] to my knowledge there is a print as to how and where to put it .these are totally different approaches as how to clamp the sidewall some use screws is this a legal mod. to the wheels? Liner wheel -Bead lock should be their choice This is called picking the remains out of -hit -some one that don't know race cars is playing the rules to far----big egos the know it alls

 

[mike]

As far as I know there is no wheel that has a bead lock that you run a liner with -Putting the second valve stem in is needed to run the liner this is a not ever been [illegal] to my knowledge there is a print as to how and where to put it .these are totally different approaches as how to clamp the sidewall some use screws is this a legal mod. to the wheels? Liner wheel -Bead lock should be their choice This is called picking the remains out of -hit -some one that don't know race cars is playing the rules to far----big egos the know it alls

 

[mike]

ask for wheel torque specs see if you get the answer with out checking with the pinnacle sitter-

 

[mike]

ask for wheel torque specs see if you get the answer with out checking with the pinnacle sitter-

my big question is why is a safer combo is as been told not allowed - is not safety in

ask for wheel torque specs see if you get the answer with out checking with the pinnacle sitter-

If the liner is safer as we have been told for many a years is it not allowed- is not safety part of Walley's NHRA motto?

 

[Ponyhntr]

As far as I know there is no wheel that has a bead lock that you run a liner with -Putting the second valve stem in is needed to run the liner this is a not ever been [illegal] to my knowledge there is a print as to how and where to put it .these are totally different approaches as how to clamp the sidewall some use screws is this a legal mod. to the wheels? Liner wheel -Bead lock should be their choice This is called picking the remains out of -hit -some one that don't know race cars is playing the rules to far----big egos the know it alls

There are wheels on the market known as “bead liners”, which is a wheel with beadlocks that also accept liners. It’s a new-ish design. Elite did not MODIFY any wheels, they bought them like that. The issue is that the liner is not called out in the rulebook as being legal in PS like it is in TA and PM.

 

[Butch]

Anyone remember when AA/Dale came up with the Bead-Lock idea, and NHRA denied the idea?

 

[mike]

There are wheels on the market known as “bead liners”, which is a wheel with beadlocks that also accept liners. It’s a new-ish design. Elite did not MODIFY any wheels, they bought them like that. The issue is that the liner is not called out in the rulebook as being legal in PS like it is in TA and PM.

What wheel co. and how does it work-Yes I know there are wheels called bead liners

 

[Ponyhntr]

What wheel co. and how does it work-Yes I know there are wheels called bead liners

Racestar has one, as does Sander. It works just like a liner wheel, but has an outer beadlock ring that bolts on.

 

[mike]

Racestar has one, as does Sander. It works just like a liner wheel, but has an outer beadlock ring that bolts on.

What is it suppose to do-other than look like a bead lock?

 

[GGLAD]

Its not an inner tube, it's an inner liner that acts as the bead lock. They are legal in Pro Mod and the Alcohol classes. But not Pro Stock.
There's an intervies with Richard on Comp+ where he explains his side.
Alan

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I might of became a Richard Freeman fan after that interview. He is relaxed and speaks like my Texas ass does.

 

[handsome]

there IS a wheel being manufactured that IS a beadlock AND is made for a liner. I saw them at PRI this past winter . one of the wheel reps took time to explain the concept to me and claimed the pro mods that had tested them picked up a few mph with them. they called the wheel " liner locks". so if Elite were running this specific wheel, that means the wheel was NOT modified. Also the rule states Beadlock wheels BUT doesn't say you can't put a liner in it. so did they break the rule?

 

[Ponyhntr]

there IS a wheel being manufactured that IS a beadlock AND is made for a liner. I saw them at PRI this past winter . one of the wheel reps took time to explain the concept to me and claimed the pro mods that had tested them picked up a few mph with them. they called the wheel " liner locks". so if Elite were running this specific wheel, that means the wheel was NOT modified. Also the rule states Beadlock wheels BUT doesn't say you can't put a liner in it. so did they break the rule?

I said basically the same thing earlier in this thread (quoted below). To answer your question- yes, they broke the rule. The way the rulebook reads is that if it’s not explicitly stated that something is ALLOWED, then it is NOT allowed.

There are wheels on the market known as “bead liners”, which is a wheel with beadlocks that also accept liners. It’s a new-ish design. Elite did not MODIFY any wheels, they bought them like that. The issue is that the liner is not called out in the rulebook as being legal in PS like it is in TA and PM.

 

[yoda]

I'm confused, if the 8 year old tires are the culprit for the KB advantage then why break them out now? Elite has been running equal or better than KB for the better part of the last decade ???

With the fuel change, there were going to be teams who's programs were gonna need to be revised. Easy way to make it seem like they figured out the fuel before everyone else, while already knowing that the tire thing would get them a hun or two, quietly...

 

[mick]

like sands thru the hourglass, so are the pro stock races on the calendar ....... see what the numbers reveal tomorrow