Off season topic: If you had the power to change sportsmen classes or format? (1 Viewer)

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You hit the nail on the head,these dads think they are a crew chief for these jr dragsters,stage it and run,most of them dont even need burnouts,i guess thats why some people like me get impatient,they take even longer and bracket races and the parents just invade the starting line like ants and wont move.
 
I've said this before and I'll say it again: I don't understand why people act like having classes where the average fan wants to leave the stands is a bad thing. Part of the appeal of NHRA racing is the accessibility of the pits and racers. If every class on the property is must-see, then those fans would feel like they're missing something by choosing to roam the pits. People LOVE complaining about the throttle-stop classes, but they serve this purpose well while being good participant classes for sportsman racers. They always fill their quotas, rarely have on-track issues, and wouldn't be replaced by anything more fan-appealing anyway, so what's to be gained by messing with them?
Other than maybe lowering the super classes to 8.0/9.0/10.0 I dont know of anything else I would do that would not cause racers to quit showing up.
All this would do is push out the few cars showing up who are between those and the current indexes all-out, especially SSt. The only viewing difference is that the cars would be on the stops for less time, but being on the stops at all is the (main) fan issue. The classes would need a complete overhaul to make them more entertaining, although that would do more to kill them entirely than make them more appealing to anybody.
 
Throttle stops are the worst devices ever put on a race car. Throttle stop...now there's an oxymoron. Try explaining a throttle stop to a first time drag race participant? They even think it's stupid. If every driver takes them off their cars the field would be equal. Who wants to watch a car idle past you and then it goes full throttle?
 
would love to see STK/SS have a big deal at a nat. event more than just the spectacle of class @ indy.
(3) in each region, keeping indy of course. start at gainesville, have another at sonoma, denver, or seattle. not in final 6 races where points play out.
STK/SS finish their race on saturday. completely done. maybe finish SC and/or SG on sat. too, to free up some time in sunday schedule.
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take the top 4 qualifiers in each STK and SS and run them heads up 8 car field on sunday. STK/SS combo. first to the stripe wins. no breakout. no AHFS.
if you win E1 and go faster than your dial, the amount you go under your dial factors your E2 dial, and same into final.
if the #1-4Q in each STK and SS goes out in first rnd on friday, they still come back for this shootout on sunday.
 
Jr's and kids are the future.

Anyone hating is mad cause their top bulb car would lose to a bottom bulb kid.
 
Throttle stops are the worst devices ever put on a race car. Throttle stop...now there's an oxymoron. Try explaining a throttle stop to a first time drag race participant? They even think it's stupid. If every driver takes them off their cars the field would be equal. Who wants to watch a car idle past you and then it goes full throttle?
just run old fashion ET racing. Dial your own and run what you brung. Set a minimum ET to keep out the real slow cars so make it 10 flat or quicker
 
Ban throttle stops and whoever invented them :)

I'd like just a dial your number class. 1 large bracket, maybe 2 (9.99 and under 10 and up.)

I remember at Indy a few years ago some super slow car kept going rounds and people were really into it, watching the large head starts and seeing if they would be run down.
 
The only thing I would do to change sportsman racing is as a sanctioning body (NHRA) I would go around and figure out how can we get more sponsors involved in contingency programs. Whether its offering free advertising space, free setup on the manufactures midway, whatever. If you get more sponsors, even if not automotive, in providing racers with contingency money that puts more money in a racer's pocket which helps increase participation.
A lot of manufactures would get involvde if the "bride" to NHRA to "allow" them to provide contingency dollars wasn't so steep!

I personally have discussed this with a few in the past, who quietly pay directly to the winners/runner-ups who are running their products .
 
So many things to change.

1. Bring back Pro Comp & Modified
2. Actually make econo classes econo in comp eliminator
3. At my local tracks, a fast bracket car without electronics is forced to run in the class with all the electronics, strictly off their elapse time. Change it.
4. STK/SS run off the national records
5. No electronics for throttle, shifting, or reacting to the tree.
 
Mark, CW Hoefer who just won the sportsman national championship at Vegas won the summit track championship at Bakersfield in Super pro, Pro, and Sportsman, all in the same car with no electronics.
 
Mark, CW Hoefer who just won the sportsman national championship at Vegas won the summit track championship at Bakersfield in Super pro, Pro, and Sportsman, all in the same car with no electronics.
Did he run electronics in vegas, either way, winning three classes with same car no electronics is very impressive, do they have good car counts there, love the track but never been to local race nights👍
 
Admittedly, I have been a long time "lurker" on here often reading through the threads. I have often thought about joining, but haven't gotten around to it. I saw this post and I thought I would enter the mix and include my thoughts.
First, a little background. I grew up about 10 minutes from US 30 dragstrip in Merrillville, Indiana. Unfortunately, it closed when I was 3 years old. My Dad, had been attending races there and eventually throughout the Midwest since the late 60's. During that time he had become an accomplished photographer. Some of you on this forum may know of him or have looked through his old website quartermileclassics.com. His photos, magazines, the Diamond P shows, and Main Event videos all became a part of my drag racing education. I didn't go on family vacations as a kid, I went to the dragstrip when we could financially afford it. This all lead to this addiction everyone on here is familiar with. As I grew my Dad taught me how to take photos and the two of us have been blessed to cover many events, most frequently for nostalgiadragworld.com. I share this, because I'm and always will be a fan.
After many years of wanting to, I was finally in a position to add racer next to the title of fan. In 2018 I purchased a 23-T Altered rolling chassis. As part of my fandom, nostalgia drag racing has always been mine and my Dad's favorite, which is why I went this route. The next part of this (which relates to the initial questions and replies in this thread) was how we built this car to compete. The goal was to be able to compete in local bracket races, nostalgia events with the Nostalgia Drag Racing League (NDRL), and any Super Comp events within the Division 3 area.
We have done things a little differently than most. My Dad's best friend who I consider an Uncle races in NHRA Division 3 Super Street with a 1970 Plymouth Barracuda, is our crew chief and has lead us in the build of this car. First of all, we run a Mopar, a sister motor to my Uncle's. Our block started off as a 440 and has been bored and stroked to a 493. Next we are not a fan of electronic throttle stops, which has been a continuous theme in this thread. So to help us run 8.90 in Super Comp trim and 9.00 in NDRL we run a bolt on our carburetor to tune the car by how much throttle we give it. In NDRL trim we trip the lights at about 146 mph and in 8.90 trim at about 148 mph. In order to run this set up we have our throttle set up just past halfway, which I realize is not all out, but also doesn't push our equipment too hard.
So to get back to the question, I would like to see no electronic throttle stops, but I don't think that is going to happen. I realize as a fan, it's not entertaining to see a car come off the starting line and "die," only to take off a second or two later. In my case behind the wheel, I know I'm going to be chased 99% of the time if not more, unless I run someone with a reverse throttle stop.
The other thing that has been mentioned are delay boxes. My first year competing in 2022 we did not run with the use of a delay box and we cannot run one with the NDRL. To be honest, I don't necessarily need one on a 4 tenths pro tree, but it has become essential for me when I bracket race. At first, I didn't think I would like it and would have a hard time getting used to it, but truthfully it doesn't bother me at all. And from a fan's perspective it's not a factor.
One of the other topics, and I get it, is to lower the ET in Super Class racing. I like seeing quick and fast cars as much as anyone. However, for those that race like us (and I know we are in the minority) it would be difficult for us to push our car to 8.50 and I don't know that 8.00 is an option for us. So as much as some may disagree I hope the .90 indexes stay as they are for Super Class racing.
Last just some observations over the last three years of competing. Prior to competing in bracket and .90 racing, I don't know how often I would watch it when it was streaming online. After competing in it, it has made it truly more entertaining, which again I realize as a fan is not always that appealing. However, watching some of the packages these racers put together is simply astonishing and has added a level of interest I didn't initially have. Back to the topic of electronic throttle stops. Though most run electronic throttle stop in super class racing, it has been my experience in watching, photographing, and racing in nostalgia racing that many of those racers are just as good without the use of electronics. Many tune using an ET Genie, a grid, or like us a mechanical throttle stop and can run right on the index frequently. We qualified 4th our of 22 cars at this year's Wally Parks Nostalgia Nationals with a 9.004. The three ahead of us were one that was dead on with a 0, and two that were .002 over. I have to admit I enjoy running side by side in the NDRL with someone else on a 9.00 index as opposed to looking over my shoulder when Super Comp racing, but ironically I have had better luck in Super Comp. Even winning a round against a blown big block dragster that passed me at 190 mph to my out of the throttle 146 mph. In bracket racing, we usually run between mid 5.50's to mid 5.60's in the 1/8th and I have had experience both chasing and being chased.
Lastly, one other thing I would like to add on a side note is my Dad received his first drag racing license in the car last year at the age of 68, and this year he and I rotated in the seat for weekend bracket races. I've attached a picture to give you a better idea of our car, taken by my 15 year old son who has also been bitten by the drag racing bug and shares the same name as his Dad and Grandpa.
Sorry for the long post, but thanks for the opportunity to share.
 

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Admittedly, I have been a long time "lurker" on here often reading through the threads. I have often thought about joining, but haven't gotten around to it. I saw this post and I thought I would enter the mix and include my thoughts.
First, a little background. I grew up about 10 minutes from US 30 dragstrip in Merrillville, Indiana. Unfortunately, it closed when I was 3 years old. My Dad, had been attending races there and eventually throughout the Midwest since the late 60's. During that time he had become an accomplished photographer. Some of you on this forum may know of him or have looked through his old website quartermileclassics.com. His photos, magazines, the Diamond P shows, and Main Event videos all became a part of my drag racing education. I didn't go on family vacations as a kid, I went to the dragstrip when we could financially afford it. This all lead to this addiction everyone on here is familiar with. As I grew my Dad taught me how to take photos and the two of us have been blessed to cover many events, most frequently for nostalgiadragworld.com. I share this, because I'm and always will be a fan.
After many years of wanting to, I was finally in a position to add racer next to the title of fan. In 2018 I purchased a 23-T Altered rolling chassis. As part of my fandom, nostalgia drag racing has always been mine and my Dad's favorite, which is why I went this route. The next part of this (which relates to the initial questions and replies in this thread) was how we built this car to compete. The goal was to be able to compete in local bracket races, nostalgia events with the Nostalgia Drag Racing League (NDRL), and any Super Comp events within the Division 3 area.
We have done things a little differently than most. My Dad's best friend who I consider an Uncle races in NHRA Division 3 Super Street with a 1970 Plymouth Barracuda, is our crew chief and has lead us in the build of this car. First of all, we run a Mopar, a sister motor to my Uncle's. Our block started off as a 440 and has been bored and stroked to a 493. Next we are not a fan of electronic throttle stops, which has been a continuous theme in this thread. So to help us run 8.90 in Super Comp trim and 9.00 in NDRL we run a bolt on our carburetor to tune the car by how much throttle we give it. In NDRL trim we trip the lights at about 146 mph and in 8.90 trim at about 148 mph. In order to run this set up we have our throttle set up just past halfway, which I realize is not all out, but also doesn't push our equipment too hard.
So to get back to the question, I would like to see no electronic throttle stops, but I don't think that is going to happen. I realize as a fan, it's not entertaining to see a car come off the starting line and "die," only to take off a second or two later. In my case behind the wheel, I know I'm going to be chased 99% of the time if not more, unless I run someone with a reverse throttle stop.
The other thing that has been mentioned are delay boxes. My first year competing in 2022 we did not run with the use of a delay box and we cannot run one with the NDRL. To be honest, I don't necessarily need one on a 4 tenths pro tree, but it has become essential for me when I bracket race. At first, I didn't think I would like it and would have a hard time getting used to it, but truthfully it doesn't bother me at all. And from a fan's perspective it's not a factor.
One of the other topics, and I get it, is to lower the ET in Super Class racing. I like seeing quick and fast cars as much as anyone. However, for those that race like us (and I know we are in the minority) it would be difficult for us to push our car to 8.50 and I don't know that 8.00 is an option for us. So as much as some may disagree I hope the .90 indexes stay as they are for Super Class racing.
Last just some observations over the last three years of competing. Prior to competing in bracket and .90 racing, I don't know how often I would watch it when it was streaming online. After competing in it, it has made it truly more entertaining, which again I realize as a fan is not always that appealing. However, watching some of the packages these racers put together is simply astonishing and has added a level of interest I didn't initially have. Back to the topic of electronic throttle stops. Though most run electronic throttle stop in super class racing, it has been my experience in watching, photographing, and racing in nostalgia racing that many of those racers are just as good without the use of electronics. Many tune using an ET Genie, a grid, or like us a mechanical throttle stop and can run right on the index frequently. We qualified 4th our of 22 cars at this year's Wally Parks Nostalgia Nationals with a 9.004. The three ahead of us were one that was dead on with a 0, and two that were .002 over. I have to admit I enjoy running side by side in the NDRL with someone else on a 9.00 index as opposed to looking over my shoulder when Super Comp racing, but ironically I have had better luck in Super Comp. Even winning a round against a blown big block dragster that passed me at 190 mph to my out of the throttle 146 mph. In bracket racing, we usually run between mid 5.50's to mid 5.60's in the 1/8th and I have had experience both chasing and being chased.
Lastly, one other thing I would like to add on a side note is my Dad received his first drag racing license in the car last year at the age of 68, and this year he and I rotated in the seat for weekend bracket races. I've attached a picture to give you a better idea of our car, taken by my 15 year old son who has also been bitten by the drag racing bug and shares the same name as his Dad and Grandpa.
Sorry for the long post, but thanks for the opportunity to share.
Welcome to NITROMATER Mike 😎👀👍
 
So many things to change.

1. Bring back Pro Comp & Modified
2. Actually make econo classes econo in comp eliminator
3. At my local tracks, a fast bracket car without electronics is forced to run in the class with all the electronics, strictly off their elapse time. Change it.
4. STK/SS run off the national records
5. No electronics for throttle, shifting, or reacting to the tree.
I agree. Get back to real drag racing.
 
I only have 1 thing I’d really like, but it’s not a reality.

I’d make A/Fuel Dragster a stand alone class, and pep them up a little bit. The popularity of the class has really grown the last few years with the drivers that are coming through.

I’d give them a bump in nitro % to start, with the intent of picking them up .10 -.15.

How fun would it be to have Angelle, Madison Payne, Melanie Johnson, etc. shooting to be “First in the 4’s” for an unblown car? Have an 8 car 4 second club ?

Could that raise the popularity even more?
Would a 4 second A/fuel car quench the thirst of some 1/4 mile diehards at least a little?

I’d run them right after Top Fuel/FC. “Folks, don’t leave the stands just yet, we have 4 second 1/4 mile nitro action coming up next.”

I don’t think a 4.99-4.95 A/Fuel car would quite run 300 mph, so that magic number so to speak would be saved for the pro classes.

I know you can shoot holes in that idea big enough to take on water like the Titanic. Not enough cars to divide the class being #1, plus a list of others.

It’s fun for me to think about though.
 
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I think the Jr. Dragsters are one of the best things ever to happen. Three of us got together and put together a team that ran three to five cars at a time. We had a total of 16 kids run over 4 years. Yes some were our kids and grandkids, but most were neighborhood kids (Boys & Girls) that NEVER would have a chance to experience anything like it. We won a total of 3 track championships - 1 Wally and too many trophy’s to count. They were not at Big Show races back then, but why would anyone want to deprive a kid of getting involved in Drag Racing when they can take 10 or 20 minutes to go for a snack or to the Head. A whole lot of the kids we raced back then run Super Comp - Super Gas and even T/F & F/C.
Our rules were - You Keep your grades up - be a good sport (Shake the other guys hand if you loose and don’t gloat when you win) and help do maintenance on the cars. It beats the hell out of Little League and a whole lot bigger percent might have a chance to go Drag Racing than be professional ball players.
 
Admittedly, I have been a long time "lurker" on here often reading through the threads. I have often thought about joining, but haven't gotten around to it. I saw this post and I thought I would enter the mix and include my thoughts.
First, a little background. I grew up about 10 minutes from US 30 dragstrip in Merrillville, Indiana. Unfortunately, it closed when I was 3 years old. My Dad, had been attending races there and eventually throughout the Midwest since the late 60's. During that time he had become an accomplished photographer. Some of you on this forum may know of him or have looked through his old website quartermileclassics.com. His photos, magazines, the Diamond P shows, and Main Event videos all became a part of my drag racing education. I didn't go on family vacations as a kid, I went to the dragstrip when we could financially afford it. This all lead to this addiction everyone on here is familiar with. As I grew my Dad taught me how to take photos and the two of us have been blessed to cover many events, most frequently for nostalgiadragworld.com. I share this, because I'm and always will be a fan.
After many years of wanting to, I was finally in a position to add racer next to the title of fan. In 2018 I purchased a 23-T Altered rolling chassis. As part of my fandom, nostalgia drag racing has always been mine and my Dad's favorite, which is why I went this route. The next part of this (which relates to the initial questions and replies in this thread) was how we built this car to compete. The goal was to be able to compete in local bracket races, nostalgia events with the Nostalgia Drag Racing League (NDRL), and any Super Comp events within the Division 3 area.
We have done things a little differently than most. My Dad's best friend who I consider an Uncle races in NHRA Division 3 Super Street with a 1970 Plymouth Barracuda, is our crew chief and has lead us in the build of this car. First of all, we run a Mopar, a sister motor to my Uncle's. Our block started off as a 440 and has been bored and stroked to a 493. Next we are not a fan of electronic throttle stops, which has been a continuous theme in this thread. So to help us run 8.90 in Super Comp trim and 9.00 in NDRL we run a bolt on our carburetor to tune the car by how much throttle we give it. In NDRL trim we trip the lights at about 146 mph and in 8.90 trim at about 148 mph. In order to run this set up we have our throttle set up just past halfway, which I realize is not all out, but also doesn't push our equipment too hard.
So to get back to the question, I would like to see no electronic throttle stops, but I don't think that is going to happen. I realize as a fan, it's not entertaining to see a car come off the starting line and "die," only to take off a second or two later. In my case behind the wheel, I know I'm going to be chased 99% of the time if not more, unless I run someone with a reverse throttle stop.
The other thing that has been mentioned are delay boxes. My first year competing in 2022 we did not run with the use of a delay box and we cannot run one with the NDRL. To be honest, I don't necessarily need one on a 4 tenths pro tree, but it has become essential for me when I bracket race. At first, I didn't think I would like it and would have a hard time getting used to it, but truthfully it doesn't bother me at all. And from a fan's perspective it's not a factor.
One of the other topics, and I get it, is to lower the ET in Super Class racing. I like seeing quick and fast cars as much as anyone. However, for those that race like us (and I know we are in the minority) it would be difficult for us to push our car to 8.50 and I don't know that 8.00 is an option for us. So as much as some may disagree I hope the .90 indexes stay as they are for Super Class racing.
Last just some observations over the last three years of competing. Prior to competing in bracket and .90 racing, I don't know how often I would watch it when it was streaming online. After competing in it, it has made it truly more entertaining, which again I realize as a fan is not always that appealing. However, watching some of the packages these racers put together is simply astonishing and has added a level of interest I didn't initially have. Back to the topic of electronic throttle stops. Though most run electronic throttle stop in super class racing, it has been my experience in watching, photographing, and racing in nostalgia racing that many of those racers are just as good without the use of electronics. Many tune using an ET Genie, a grid, or like us a mechanical throttle stop and can run right on the index frequently. We qualified 4th our of 22 cars at this year's Wally Parks Nostalgia Nationals with a 9.004. The three ahead of us were one that was dead on with a 0, and two that were .002 over. I have to admit I enjoy running side by side in the NDRL with someone else on a 9.00 index as opposed to looking over my shoulder when Super Comp racing, but ironically I have had better luck in Super Comp. Even winning a round against a blown big block dragster that passed me at 190 mph to my out of the throttle 146 mph. In bracket racing, we usually run between mid 5.50's to mid 5.60's in the 1/8th and I have had experience both chasing and being chased.
Lastly, one other thing I would like to add on a side note is my Dad received his first drag racing license in the car last year at the age of 68, and this year he and I rotated in the seat for weekend bracket races. I've attached a picture to give you a better idea of our car, taken by my 15 year old son who has also been bitten by the drag racing bug and shares the same name as his Dad and Grandpa.
Sorry for the long post, but thanks for the opportunity to share.
Great and fun post to read. I also welcome you to Nitromater Land.
 
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