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NHRA Laying off some people??

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:confused::confused:I know you are venting on Compton here Bill ... This is not really a joking matter. Virtually every fulltime employee of NHRA was hit with a 10% pay cut (unless they were let go) which has been in place almost a year now. You may not know how widespread this was. Start with National Event fulltimers from Marketing, Tech Services, National Dragster, Safety Safari, etc. Throw in all 7 Division Directors, all 7 Division Tech Directors and any full time support staff. These people all have families and bills to pay just like we do. These people know what Tom Compton makes, but they also know he is the Boss. It is that way all around us no matter what type of business it is. Would you storm into your bosses office and ask what sacrifice he might be making during these hard times? My answer would be NO, but maybe you like living on the edge.

Most people here don't seem to want to admit that NHRA is a business first and foremost. Get over it, the low buck days are gone and over. This is a big boys game now not the recreational sport it started as. it is called evolution. Executive level leaders are compensated in a manner that reflects thier status within that Business not outsider personal feelings. Compton is probably under paid when compared to Presidents of other companies of a similar size/stature.

I work for a company that sponsors a Sprint Cup team (Hint #16). Last year when they announced no raises for ALL salaried employees, I was angry but I understood the economics of the WHOLE situation and I still had my job. The first thing many of my colleagues argued was that if the company can afford 10's of millions of $$ to sponsor a race car and title rights to a race, what about raises. Not me. By the way ... we also handed all customers a 4% across the board price increase this past July. You don't necessarily get through tough times by slashing income sources. It is typically done by cutting / controlling COST. The unfortunate part is that usually that means jobs first, then you control indirect spending next. It is how our Economic system works.

As somebody said earlier in this thread, do you like the new IHRA? Basically a glorified touring show now just like monster trucks and the WWE. Let NHRA take its course ... it is not going anywhere, it just has to weather a tough time like the rest of us.

In turn, all of us should be respectful of the many who have had to make real financial sacrifices to operate this sport instead of trying to convince others you as a fan have made some great sacrifice. A great boss I had some time ago told me ... "You will never be successful if you spend your time sweating details you have no control over. Doing so, will just mark you as a complainer, but things will still be the same when you come back tomorrow."

Great post.
 
MIKE LARSON: What sources of income are down? All of them! The spectator turnout at Charlotte was abysmal, and Virginia was no better. And inclement weather has negatively impacted numerous NHRA races.

Entry fees are also down despite NHRA’s gouging of the sportsman racers with higher fees. Just look at the national event sportsman racer turnouts. They’re down.

Sponsor fees are also markedly down because NHRA has been unable to sell reasonably priced programs like the Funny Car Showdown and Top Fuel Classic. Those programs generated good fees for NHRA.

And my sources also report that total NHRA “membership” is in decline because, probably, of the economy. People can’t afford the price of National Dragster unless they’re truly hard core.

JOE SHERWOOD: This guy would know about spectator turnouts because he’s a hard core, knowledgeable fan who attends numerous races. He sees it from the grandstands and in the pits, and is in a good position to know.

GREG DUFFIELD: Great concept, but you’re telling it to people totally hooked on the almighty dollar, particularly when it comes to themselves.

And have you seen the announcement from IHRA? They may survive short term, but they are over in terms of being a legitimate racing organization.

By the way, a total of 18 full time and contract employees were aced yesterday.

Funny, I keep waiting for announcement that Compton, Gardner, et.al. are lowering their own compensation rates…

Oh, how naïve I am!

Jon Asher

Instead of criticizing and second-guessing, let's hear some realistic suggestions on how you would save the NHRA Jon. You've been around long enough that you should be able to step right in and run the NHRA without any problem. I've been reading your stuff for almost 40 years, and I'm disappointed that you've become another chronic complainer on the Nitrowhiner.
 
Instead of criticizing and second-guessing, let's hear some realistic suggestions on how you would save the NHRA Jon. You've been around long enough that you should be able to step right in and run the NHRA without any problem. I've been reading your stuff for almost 40 years, and I'm disappointed that you've become another chronic complainer on the Nitrowhiner.

He has Tony, many times! In here in fact....
 
I haven't spent 1 cent on the NHRA, or anything NHRA related, since they went to 1,000 ft.

In my 40 years being a fan, I've been worse off economically several times, but still managed to fit in a race. Not anymore. Not for 1,000 feet. Sorry, but they lost me.
 
i think the main factor in this whole situation is the 1000ft. attendance has seemingly gone in the toilet since this happened. lose attendance, lose sponsors, lose tv ratings, etc.

while going back to 1320 may be dangerous, nobody is forcing these guys to race. they chose to get in those cars.

keeping it at 1000ft may be safe, but in the end, i think it will ultimately cost all had careers built by 1320 racing their jobs.
 
Has anyone heard any deatil on who exactly is being let go?


Just my opinon: If you went back to 1320 tomorrow, the situation would be the same.

I believe the ADVERAGE person attending a race is far more interested is seeing side by side racing and not eachly how many feet the race was.

If you smoke the tires anywhere on the track the race is usually over.
 
Has anyone heard any deatil on who exactly is being let go?


Just my opinon: If you went back to 1320 tomorrow, the situation would be the same.

I believe the ADVERAGE person attending a race is far more interested is seeing side by side racing and not eachly how many feet the race was.

If you smoke the tires anywhere on the track the race is usually over.

I think the 1320 has minimal effect. I think the big effect is the massive amount of people unemployed !!!
 
Has anyone heard any deatil on who exactly is being let go?


Just my opinon: If you went back to 1320 tomorrow, the situation would be the same.

I believe the ADVERAGE person attending a race is far more interested is seeing side by side racing and not eachly how many feet the race was.

If you smoke the tires anywhere on the track the race is usually over.

Dave I think the economy and NHRA charging $50-60 for a ticket? They have successfully priced out families, and with the success of the ADRL make it all the more clear!:rolleyes:
 
Tony Baker: Jon has offered thoughts/opinions/analysis on how to "save drag racing" at this website and CompPlus on several occasions ... both sites have a search function, won't take long for you to get up to speed and be both entertained and provoked by Jon's stuff ...

As for the rest of the thread ... IT'S THE ECONOMY. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION. Anyone who thinks that 1,000 ft racing has had an appreciable affect on attendance/ratings to the point NHRA has to lay off employees is living in a fantasy world. There is double-digit unemployment rates in most states coupled with the drastic reduction in property values, the evaporation of credit, the ever-weakening dollar ... and on down the line. Plus, the people that still have jobs are staying home, spending less, actually starting to save a little bit out of fear that they might not have a job tomorrow or they just want to be prudent until the economy (and the value of their dollar) rebounds.
 
I would say the economy is one reason that attendance is down, but the 1000 foot factor certainly comes into play. They are continuing to charge people top dollar for a product that is watered down. I understand there's been some fan relief programs, but by and large when you're looking at Sunday admission it's anywhere from $50-$65. With 1000 feet the qualifying numbers mean nothing, I'm not breaking a pinata when a dragster runs 3.79. Especially in the summer, Saturday is a smokefest and Friday isn't as good as it used to be because A) the "night" session is usually run while it's still light out and B) the big elephant in the room. As much as I'd like to see the new track in Charlotte, I'm not going to spend money on airfare, hotel, admission, etc. to see a diluted product. Yes, the economy is bad, but I've got a lot less motivation to sneak attending a few races into my budget when I know going in that there is no way these races are going equal others I've been to (Last fall race in Joliet, or Joliet 2006). Basically, what I'm saying is yes the economy has caused people to watch what they spend and in some cases 1000 feet is what tips the scales and causes them to stay home.
 
Anyone who is blaming 1,000ft racing on this is clearly clueless to what is going on. The problem is one word, the ECONOMY.
 
Anyone who is blaming 1,000ft racing on this is clearly clueless to what is going on. The problem is one word, the ECONOMY.

I think that's the lion's share of the problem, but I also feel that with the economy being as bad as it is, this is certainly not the time to be watering down the product for the paying customer. Basically what I'm saying is I think the economy is the largest factor for lower attendance but I think 1000 feet is a factor as well.
 
I think that's the lion's share of the problem, but I also feel that with the economy being as bad as it is, this is certainly not the time to be watering down the product for the paying customer. Basically what I'm saying is I think the economy is the largest factor for lower attendance but I think 1000 feet is a factor as well.
I believe that only the hard core/traditionalists/purists see this as a "watered down" product; but, that may account for only one half of the attendance at any given race, if not a little less. (SWAG) What the rest sees is the 300mph+ on the boards which is the real draw, and I'm also willing to bet that a lot of folks don't even realize that nirto's not running a full 1320' since everything else is. If NHRA dropped nitro down to 275mph (for "safety") and pushed it back out to 1320, then I think you'd see a truely "watered down" product and probably attendance would suffer on a greater scale based on that then it is now. I just think that not everyone's going to want to spend $50/ticket, plus any travel expenses, on "niche" entertainment at this time in the economy. Shoot, Disneyland's a bigger bang for that same buck.
 
It's apples and oranges economically speaking. Those sports have a greater following therefore a greater market share. They can charge more, because there is more demand.

Not necessarily.

Where drag racing and other sports are an apples-to-apples comparison is that both drag racing and NFL football, for example, are selling several hours of sports entertainment for a given price. They are selling and marketing the same thing: excitement and entertainment through sports.

If people's perceived value is equal to or greater than the price of tickets, the tickets will sell. There are plenty of families still going to see other sports that cost more, so clearly those families think those events are worth the price.

One thing I would like to know is how drag racing's core demographic has been affected by the economy compared to the core demographics of other sports.

Jim
 
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Anyone who is blaming 1,000ft racing on this is clearly clueless to what is going on. The problem is one word, the ECONOMY.

Thank goodness we have you here as the great all knowing one.

For me, the economics and 1,000 ft racing, are the reasons I no longer go. For me, they go hand in hand. As Brian so eloquently stated, some people can afford to go, but choose not to spend the money in these tough economic times because it is 1,000 ft. I am one of those. If Norwalk had been 1,320 feet this summer, I'd have been there. Tough economic times, or not. As I stated in another thread awhile back, there is a whole crew of us here that didn't go. I can damn sure bet we aren't the only ones that made that same decision. Of course the economy is playing a much larger part in the problems, but 1,000 ft is compounding that fact too.

If the NFL cut the field to 75 yards, people would be upset. Especially if they charged the same amount of money to see the game.
 
If the NFL cut the field to 75 yards, people would be upset. Especially if they charged the same amount of money to see the game.

Using that logic, the Canadian Football League should draw more fans than the NFL because the CFL field is 110 yards. Why are we Americans shortchanged?

Jim
 
The NFL has always been a hundred yards. Shorten the playing surface, and see what happens. :rolleyes:

But the CFL is longer. People could follow Canadian football and get 10% more field for their ticket price.

And, BTW, football fields in the USA were 110 yards until 1912, when they were reduced to 100 yards.


JIm
 
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