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NHRA cracks down on Street Outlaws participants
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my friends call me Zappy
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Why is it that if NHRA is gonna benefit from something, then it's OK. ?? I seem to recall a Force & Schumacher cars doing burn-outs on a PIT ROAD at a NASCAR track.
StockersRock
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Is that the street, being perceived as the street, or even an uncontrolled environment? That's a weak statement.
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my friends call me Zappy
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Ok PURE HELL AA/FA is doing a fire burn-out, on a public street to open a car show. Both are a "no-no" to NHRA. Does anyone really think NHRA will pull his license & ban him ???
Bobby Bennett
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http://www.competitionplus.com/drag...urillo-understands-he-s-in-a-no-win-situation
Mike Murillo speaks with CompetitionPlus.com
Mike Murillo speaks with CompetitionPlus.com
swervin
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Ask a lawyer to watch it and ask him who would get sued in the event of a tragedy. I am willing to bet he would say ..anyone who can be identified/connected to the car via logos, decals, comp numbers etc. That is his job. If he didn't find somebody to sue from that, he can be sued for malpractice himself, negligence. That's why so many people are implicated in lawsuits that you wouldn't normally think connected.
Like said before, it would have been so easy to not have any of that info on the cars. I am actually surprised the legal team for the TV show didn't take care of that.
Like said before, it would have been so easy to not have any of that info on the cars. I am actually surprised the legal team for the TV show didn't take care of that.
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maybe because it's still a race track. Not even close to the same thing
my friends call me Zappy
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So if you have a Tigers T shirt on and get arrested for something, can Detroit sue you ??? NHRA shot them selves in the foot again. They made an issue where their was none.
Horsepower & Heels
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Paul, that depends on if you were a paid, signed member into their fan club, and that membership stipulates certain behavior as a pre-requisite for continued membership, then yes. If you were just a nobody wearing a t-shirt with their logo, then no.
I get it. It sucks for those racers, and I hate that it comes down to an ultimatum instead of some other less punitive more positive solution for all sides, but I can understand why they felt they had to do it.
I don't believe that its just about covering the stickers and removing the competition numbers though, the letters are pretty clear that any involvement, whether obvious or not, by members would be grounds for revoking their licenses.
my friends call me Zappy
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I'm not a regular viewer of the show, but I don't recall ever seeing a NHRA sticker. The two have little in common. One has a structured format with strict classes, the other is a "run what ya brung" style.
Both are a contest of acceleration, period, the similarity stops there. The show does NOT promote street racing. There is a cast of ten participants, and the Focus seems to be vying for position on the
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The show pays as many as 10 police to make sure the roads are CLOSED to the public, they have city council approval to close & film over night. I hate to rain on any ones parade but I must say:
John Wayne never killed any Indians - Rambo never killed any VC - and superman can't really fly. It's entertainment, make believe, fiction, TV.
They just rent a piece of pavement, that's all. Saying that is street racing, is like saying at Pomona they race in a parking lot. (they actually do).
With all this hub-bub about the show, I'm gonna go TiVo it.
Both are a contest of acceleration, period, the similarity stops there. The show does NOT promote street racing. There is a cast of ten participants, and the Focus seems to be vying for position on the
list.
The show pays as many as 10 police to make sure the roads are CLOSED to the public, they have city council approval to close & film over night. I hate to rain on any ones parade but I must say:
John Wayne never killed any Indians - Rambo never killed any VC - and superman can't really fly. It's entertainment, make believe, fiction, TV.
They just rent a piece of pavement, that's all. Saying that is street racing, is like saying at Pomona they race in a parking lot. (they actually do).
With all this hub-bub about the show, I'm gonna go TiVo it.
CrewMan
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For all of the issues that NHRA has created for itself in the past several years....gotta say they got it right here.
Before I go on I do want to preface my post by saying that I have never been impressed with the show from the get go...total farce and total BS....and I am honestly surprised it took an organization this long to say something...if you look closely at some of the previous episodes...even going back to last year...stickers, numbers, etc were visible at times.
** We are not talking about the average Joe Schmoe who signs up for your basic NHRA Membership - National Dragster, Rule Book, Pin, Patch etc. We are talking about people who sign up and pay for and NHRA Competition # and qualify for a license (if required) for their desired level of competition. By signing up for the competition side of things you agree to follow the sanctioning body's rules and regulations. If you don't you are subject to their disciplinary actions if they so choose to apply them.
1. NHRA, like any other company, as a previous poster said, has the right...and I would argue duty to protect their brand. Part of their brand is providing a sanctioned, safe, and legal environment for their product. Remember...when the F-n-F movies first came out, and there was a growth in street racing and that is exactly what it was, the NHRA ran the campaign to bring people to do that stuff at a track, under controlled safe conditions. I am also correct they were a fairly substantial contributor to Drag Race High or whatever it was called a few years ago, which was promoting exactly what street outlaws is not. To this day they still support that view. So they are totally within their right to protect their brand....and they should....fake BS or not....it is the perception that matters. Also...much like NASCAR....now I have not read through the rule book of late....but I am sure there is a "Behavior Detrimental" clause...as overall encompassing as that can be...it could be applied here.
2. Contrary to other opinions I have read elsewhere, NHRA is NOT INFRINGING UPON THE RIGHTS OF PRIVATE BUSINESS AND/OR INDIVIDUALS PRIVATE INTERESTS. These folks signed up and agree to play by the rules and "do business" with NHRA. All NHRA is doing, whether you agree with it or not, is enforcing it's own rules. We can discuss to hell freezes over the NHRA's ability to equally enforce or subjectively enforce their rules as we have seen in the past, but they do have the right and the obligation to their membership or "customers" to enforce their rules. Obtaining a competition # puts you in that category.
Just my 02....but I also wonder if maybe NHRA tried to reach out prior to this and give a gentle warning...I agree the letter out of the blue does seem a little knee jerk....but there is usually more to the story....just wondering
Before I go on I do want to preface my post by saying that I have never been impressed with the show from the get go...total farce and total BS....and I am honestly surprised it took an organization this long to say something...if you look closely at some of the previous episodes...even going back to last year...stickers, numbers, etc were visible at times.
** We are not talking about the average Joe Schmoe who signs up for your basic NHRA Membership - National Dragster, Rule Book, Pin, Patch etc. We are talking about people who sign up and pay for and NHRA Competition # and qualify for a license (if required) for their desired level of competition. By signing up for the competition side of things you agree to follow the sanctioning body's rules and regulations. If you don't you are subject to their disciplinary actions if they so choose to apply them.
1. NHRA, like any other company, as a previous poster said, has the right...and I would argue duty to protect their brand. Part of their brand is providing a sanctioned, safe, and legal environment for their product. Remember...when the F-n-F movies first came out, and there was a growth in street racing and that is exactly what it was, the NHRA ran the campaign to bring people to do that stuff at a track, under controlled safe conditions. I am also correct they were a fairly substantial contributor to Drag Race High or whatever it was called a few years ago, which was promoting exactly what street outlaws is not. To this day they still support that view. So they are totally within their right to protect their brand....and they should....fake BS or not....it is the perception that matters. Also...much like NASCAR....now I have not read through the rule book of late....but I am sure there is a "Behavior Detrimental" clause...as overall encompassing as that can be...it could be applied here.
2. Contrary to other opinions I have read elsewhere, NHRA is NOT INFRINGING UPON THE RIGHTS OF PRIVATE BUSINESS AND/OR INDIVIDUALS PRIVATE INTERESTS. These folks signed up and agree to play by the rules and "do business" with NHRA. All NHRA is doing, whether you agree with it or not, is enforcing it's own rules. We can discuss to hell freezes over the NHRA's ability to equally enforce or subjectively enforce their rules as we have seen in the past, but they do have the right and the obligation to their membership or "customers" to enforce their rules. Obtaining a competition # puts you in that category.
Just my 02....but I also wonder if maybe NHRA tried to reach out prior to this and give a gentle warning...I agree the letter out of the blue does seem a little knee jerk....but there is usually more to the story....just wondering
my friends call me Zappy
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Well if they are gonna do it to some, they should do it to ALL. So I guess we've seen the last of Pure Hell at NHRA events/tracks.
Ugh ... Paul, all 3 of your recent posts are so irrelevant to the basic issue. Who cares about the show being real or fake. We get that and fully understand fantasy and reality. This show is stupid and brings zero credibility to anything.
Again ... NHRA is taking a standard legal approach in an attempt to protect its brand. That's it. It is not about Big Brother or liberals trying to take away your rights. Mike Murillo can drive his heap off a cliff for all I care. That's his right. But by using a vehicle that bears signage affiliated with NHRA, it opens the legal door for implicating NHRA in anything that goes wrong on the show.
If you owned a McDonalds franchise and they threatened to take it away because there was a You Tube video of you eating a BK Whopper, would you feel the same way? You violated terms of an agreement. This small number affected by the letter failed to read and understand all of what they signed up for when they became a licensed NHRA participant. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
NHRA does not need to kiss the a$$ of a few guys who drive really fast cars and want to be portrayed as cool, loud mouth, confrontational, bad a$$es. Nobody is impressed.
FABMAN
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Note ,saying I'm proud of it but I was young and stupid. In the late 60s , early 70s we were street racing about every night if it wasn't raining. We would be challenged by other cities and groups from all over town so it was a big deal and it was the muscle car era. At the time the state was building a lot on interstate system so we had a lot of concrete to race on that was finish but not opened. Fortunately we never had any accidents. The only chance of an accident might have happened would have been running from the local mounty.
T.Smith
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The last two illegal street races I witnessed ended with a car flipping end over end through a cornfield.
