Heads Up!

[yoda]

Guido was about to put his fist through the side of the transporter he was so mad, at himself. They got out of their normal routine and when the leak needed attention, the TS was forgotten until it was too late. End of story.

Watch the coverage. Stuff happens.

Ever think that Guido was pi$sed off because the order to dive came down on him and something that was his responsibility?

Don't grant Don sainthood just yet. He has manipulated his teams to give the NAPA car the best shot at winning the championship. Changing teams, cars, trailers, hanging Beckman out to dry by Johnny Gray. It may not be leaving on a throttle stop but the affect is the same. I see it with my own eyes.

Hmmmm... That was a pretty good race... The only thing that hung Fast Jack out to dry was his right foot and a couple of electrical sparks in his brain- and even then, his R.T. was better than anyone here could have pulled out of their a$s on a monday morning...

 

[You!]

I honestly think it was a mistake , but awful timing for it lol.

Stuff like this happens often but you aren't always aware of it. I can think of numerous situations that seem too silly to be true, but they are/were.

Case in point...Final round in the darkness at the World Finals in Pomona. Force vs. teammate Pedregon. Tony's car will not light. They try numerous times but it won't fire. Force makes a single and the win.

That night, they tear the engine completely apart, change mags, everything they can think of. Still won't fire. Next morning, after a good night's rest (remember, final round was under darkness, hence it had rained) someone finally notices that the primer bottle has solvent in it, not gasoline.

Stuff happens.

Bross, weren't you around during this time frame?

 

[rollingthunder]

we haven't heard from 3 2 1 .............. LOL

5 pages and nothing yet ?

 

[yoda]

Martin,

Clearly you don't know these guys. That observation you made somewhat surprises me, coming from you.

Pretty silly if you honestly think that. Dean isn't wired that way.

My point exactly- he was hot, and that's not his norm. When he left for the trailer, you knew he was not acting. Mad about being absent minded? Possibly, especially because of the MULTIPLE steps that were forgotten in the TS proceedure (and no one else caught it..)

Mad about not being given the options to let the chips land as they may, and let it be a real drag race? Also a possibility.

Those that call the shots take it pretty hard when the loss falls on their shoulders under normal race circumstances. Can't imagine what it must be like to some of thes A Type guys when loss comes due to what is best for the "business"...

 

[Dave]

Why all the comments about Guido and Force, but Hagen got a complete pass on his .307 red light at St Louis against Beckman in the finals. He got away with a brain fart because he races for DSR and they always race "heads up". Just sayin.

 

[Gordon]

I haven't had the opportunity to watch the remainder of the race that everyone is discussing here, but I'm suddenly more interested than I was 30 minutes ago. Looking at the numbers, it appears that Guido didn't have a tune-up that could run with Zippy anyway, but because they left the throttle stop on (inadvertantly or otherwise - it wouldn't be the first time that's happened), people want to accuse John of throwing the race. Again, I haven't seen it, I'm merely giving a synopsis based on what I've read here. I'm interested to see the event and hear the interviews...

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I don't post on nitromater.com nearly as often as I once did, and a major reason for that is the consistent lack of respect displayed hereon. Most of you probably don't care whether I post or not, and that's fine.

And trust me when I tell you that you won't find a stronger supporter of our U.S. Constitution anywhere on the planet, but freedom of speech shouldn't mean we can all be completely and utterly disrespectful in our disagreements. It seems like every time people have a difference of opinion on this board (and seemingly every message board I visit), the discussion immediately spirals into disrespect, negativity, and most importantly, uninformed and uneducated accusations. What are we solving or learning by calling people names - people in many cases we've NEVER even met?! I'll tell you, we're learning absolutely nothing.

I've disagreed with many a comment during my 900+ posts, but I've always tried to do so in a respctful and intelligent manner. It amuses (& saddens) me that when someone doesn't get their way in the form of everyone agreeing with their opinion, they resort to the aforementioned name calling and empty accusations. Am I living in a fantasy world? Is it too much to ask for simple respect? I guess maybe it is...

 

[vegasnitro]

Why all the comments about Guido and Force, but Hagen got a complete pass on his .307 red light at St Louis against Beckman in the finals. He got away with a brain fart because he races for DSR and they always race "heads up". Just sayin.

If Hagan was going to dive at Gateway, he would have done it in Round 2 versus Capps. That made much more sense from the "business" perspective. How much would Capps love to have those 20 points now?

 

[the zone]

I did not read every post, but did you see what Neffs light was as well. There is a very good chance they got a quick yellow. (.033 difference is all)

 

[Marchboom]

Can you guys grow up and get over it? It's Don's choice to be heads up, but if Don changed his mind, I would understand. WHY? BECAUSE IT'S BUSINESS. John Force has had a pitiful year by JFR standards and if that's what was BEST for the BUSINESS then the BUSINESS must win.

By your standards, insider trading should be allowed in the stock market. Why? Because it's business. If pro drag racing is business why don't they just let the race team lawyers battle it out in the board rooms. Has to be cheaper, and safer, that actually racing. And there are no rain outs.

Proving that someone is cheating is very difficult and the folks on this forum should make sure they have some good evidence before making accusations.

That being said, didn't Hight have a situation a few years ago where a throttle stop was left on? After that I would definitely have a double check procedure in place that makes sure that would never happen again.

 

[Paul]

If Hagan was going to dive at Gateway, he would have done it in Round 2 versus Capps. That made much more sense from the "business" perspective. How much would Capps love to have those 20 points now?

Exactly, if Matt dove for Ron in the 2nd round @ St. Louis it would have made much more business sense then Matt diving in the final round since Ron was the points leader not a non DSR car. If Ron went to the finals like Matt did he would still be in the points lead and Neff would still be a full race out of the lead.

 

[Rajunz]

Why all the comments about Guido and Force, but Hagen got a complete pass on his .307 red light at St Louis against Beckman in the finals. He got away with a brain fart because he races for DSR and they always race "heads up". Just sayin.

If Hagan was going to dive at Gateway, he would have done it in Round 2 versus Capps. That made much more sense from the "business" perspective. How much would Capps love to have those 20 points now?

Not to mention that Hagan caught the car on fire in that final, hardly a way to take a dive!

 

[Rat]

Tree'd me.

(I hadn't gotten to respond to the other thread yet, but since you've backed yourself into a corner here, I guess this'll do)


Ahh, but to quote you: "Totally different animal".

There was no race outcome in Greg's plan. He didn't "throw", or take a "dive", that gave Jason any win, completely unlike what this situation appears to be.

Say, theoretically, Greg has to appease Summit and at least enter every race. If there were 17 cars entered in a race and Jason Line and Ronnie Humphrey were the only KB cars in the Countdown, and he tanked qualifying runs to make sure those cars got in, then there might be a comparison to this.

Business would still be business. You can't have it both ways.

Thank you. Honestly have the thought about it that way. I retract my statement.

Don't grant Don sainthood just yet. He has manipulated his teams to give the NAPA car the best shot at winning the championship. Changing teams, cars, trailers, hanging Beckman out to dry by Johnny Gray. It may not be leaving on a throttle stop but the affect is the same. I see it with my own eyes.

This is almost one of the funniest things I ever read! People killed Don Schumacher with words on here when that switch was made. Brian, What 2 cars are in the title race? He has yet to screw ANYONE on his team cause they all make sure they get the best or like Beckman and Smith have the potential to be the best. They started slow and look where they are? A year ago Todd Smith was never even considered a championship contenting Funny Car crew chief, now he is one. Yes they all have the same baseline tuneups, but it's each crew chief's individual ideas that take it to low e.t. and wins races.

Don proves he gives all his teams nothing but the best as well as all having the same potential, end of story. You may wanna think about your statement. I am not defending Don, I am defending the truth. It's crystal clear.

Patrick, Answer this. You pointed out earlier there is no way Force would have beaten Hight in 2009, and no way Force would have beaten Neff at Maple Grove. Correct? So then I ask, why wouldnt JFR race heads up if the outcome was a sure thing? You must have a copy of Bif Tannan's Sports Almanac

By your standards, insider trading should be allowed in the stock market. Why? Because it's business. If pro drag racing is business why don't they just let the race team lawyers battle it out in the board rooms. Has to be cheaper, and safer, that actually racing. And there are no rain outs.

Proving that someone is cheating is very difficult and the folks on this forum should make sure they have some good evidence before making accusations.

That being said, didn't Hight have a situation a few years ago where a throttle stop was left on? After that I would definitely have a double check procedure in place that makes sure that would never happen again.

No, before you take it out of context remember a theme here. What JFR did and what DSR does is not against the rules, there are no rules and there can never be. Insider trading is illegal and it's only a matter of time u get caught. The SEC is far less greedy and hush hush than ever before.

 

[Marchboom]

No, before you take it out of context remember a theme here. What JFR did and what DSR does is not against the rules, there are no rules and there can never be. Insider trading is illegal and it's only a matter of time u get caught. The SEC is far less greedy and hush hush than ever before.

It's morally wrong and sometimes that holds more weight that any law or rule.

You're making accusations that you might not be able to prove.

What you do when faced with situations (team mates racing each other) like DSR and JFR faces at many races, reveals your character. People are judged on their character.

Years ago a handshake meant more than any written contract.

 

[SundayNiagara]

When John Force, or one of his cars wins, drag racing is more interesting and this thread proves it beyond a shadow of doubt. Keep talking people, because John and his sponsors LOVE IT!

 

[Brian]

Hmmmm... That was a pretty good race... The only thing that hung Fast Jack out to dry was his right foot and a couple of electrical sparks in his brain- and even then, his R.T. was better than anyone here could have pulled out of their a$s on a monday morning...[/QUOTE]

Gray fired the car before Jack was completely strapped in.

 

[yoda]

Gray fired the car before Jack was completely strapped in.

And yet, Jack was only a couple huns behind on the tree, and with a better r.t. would have turned on the win light. Car had a win in it, both in the tuneup and the cockpit.

 

[daveo]

John Force, DIVE!

Should Guido hold up a "Diver Down" flag next time?

 

[Bross Hawg]

Stuff like this happens often but you aren't always aware of it. I can think of numerous situations that seem too silly to be true, but they are/were.

Case in point...Final round in the darkness at the World Finals in Pomona. Force vs. teammate Pedregon. Tony's car will not light. They try numerous times but it won't fire. Force makes a single and the win.

That night, they tear the engine completely apart, change mags, everything they can think of. Still won't fire. Next morning, after a good night's rest (remember, final round was under darkness, hence it had rained) someone finally notices that the primer bottle has solvent in it, not gasoline.

Stuff happens.

Bross, weren't you around during this time frame?

I honestly don't remember that...might have been before I came on the scene. My first season was 2001 on Tony P's car. Sounds kinda familiar though. Most of you have never even been to the starting line when a TF car is running, let alone working on one. Routines are key, it is VERY easy to get out of your routine and forget something. When these cars are running, and especially on race day, there is a lot of stress and mayhem. When something like a leak comes up, your 1st priority is to get it fixed. It might only take a few seconds, but that puts you way behind on getting the car to the line to stage. Mistakes happen, and they will happen again. With 3 races left, this is where the little things can cost you a championship. No team is perfect...just the team who makes the least mistakes throughout wins.

 

[Bross Hawg]

Re: John Force, DIVE!

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww317/cjt1996/idiot.jpg

 

[mastertone]

Re: John Force, DIVE!

Give it a rest, please.