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With the environmental folks wanting to get rid of the combustion engine entirely and racing being a complete waste of energy in their agenda, perhaps future performance might be linked to the size of your extension cord.
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With the environmental folks wanting to get rid of the combustion engine entirely and racing being a complete waste of energy in their agenda, perhaps future performance might be linked to the size of your extension cord.
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Maybe they could bring back peroxide rockets?
Maybe they could bring back peroxide rockets?
Nope, oxidizers eat ozone too.
Turtle
Nitro Member
Why not let them run as they are, but with EFI on them. No turbo's or blowers (if you want to use them, go run Pro Mod). Make everyone use a controlled ECU. Let them have TC, as it has been stated it mostly slows you down, but its also another tuning parameter for crew chiefs to play with.
At least that would start to bring Pro Stock out of the dark ages of carbs.
Just my 2c
At least that would start to bring Pro Stock out of the dark ages of carbs.
Just my 2c
Super Mod
Nitro Member
Bo Butner's East Texas Racecars Cobalt CC/A comp eliminator car featuring a Pro-charger 400" SBC probably best represents where Pro Stock should be but will never happen. What do race teams do with all the money sank into today's 500" Pro Stock motors? Can you say LAWSUIT? Yes it would happen faster than John Force's return to FC.
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Outlaw Eric
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While I agree that modern day TF/FCs are out of control, the late 1980's and early 1990s car could easily be recognized as long as the headlights, grill, tail lights, etc were airbrushed in. Think of one painted like a street car, Ron Capps' Cope car jumps to mind. IIRC it was a Camaro.
I agree with you that the Vega FCs could be identified even in primer, but not so with a real modern car. No reason why the FCs should be any different.
That having been said, the current Funny Cars with the 'doghouse roof' is ridiculous.
EDB
ProStockJunkie
Nitro Member
AAAAARRRGGGHHHHHH! No! Bad Randy! Bad! Bad!
Keep the $@&#($#&*@& imports out of Pro Stock. PLEEZ !
blackbeard
Nitro Member
the fact that the 'old timer's like WJ are pushing for F.I. proves that it's time for a change. however, you need to give the teams a few year to prepare for it. in other words, announce in 2008 that F.I. will be legal beginning in 2010.
on a side note: WHOA....2010 is almost here! where are the flying cars???!!
on a side note: WHOA....2010 is almost here! where are the flying cars???!!
vegasnitro
Nitro Member
I say run PS with small blocks, EFI and STOCK ECUs. Allow traction control. Until it gets ridiculous, allow teams to adjust the ECUs for Fuel/Air and TC settings, etc. Maybe even bring in a rev-limiter, say 10,000 RPM to keep the cost of the internals down.
I think most of you don't understand how traction control works. If it truly slowed cars down, why would race teams use it? What traction control does is manage the efficiency of the power being put to the track via controlling wheelspin. In simple terms, instead of letting a car spin the tires, it slows either wheelspeed down via application of the brakes or engine speed down via rev limitations or both to keep the car moving forward and building the all important mechanical vector known as momentum. Basically, a car that shakes the tires and pedals (loss of momentum) is not going to beat a car whose ECU manages the shake part of the track and keeps the car moving forward (minimal or no loss of momentum).
In a street car, TC is activated to allow you to keep control of a vehicle and prevent a crash. When your PT cruiser activates TC, your wheels are still driving rather than spinning and it should give a greater degree of control in an emergency situation. TC in a street car definitely slows a vehicle down, but that is to prevent soccer moms from cracking up the family car, rather than negotiate a race course efficiently as possible.
I think most of you don't understand how traction control works. If it truly slowed cars down, why would race teams use it? What traction control does is manage the efficiency of the power being put to the track via controlling wheelspin. In simple terms, instead of letting a car spin the tires, it slows either wheelspeed down via application of the brakes or engine speed down via rev limitations or both to keep the car moving forward and building the all important mechanical vector known as momentum. Basically, a car that shakes the tires and pedals (loss of momentum) is not going to beat a car whose ECU manages the shake part of the track and keeps the car moving forward (minimal or no loss of momentum).
In a street car, TC is activated to allow you to keep control of a vehicle and prevent a crash. When your PT cruiser activates TC, your wheels are still driving rather than spinning and it should give a greater degree of control in an emergency situation. TC in a street car definitely slows a vehicle down, but that is to prevent soccer moms from cracking up the family car, rather than negotiate a race course efficiently as possible.
ProStockJunkie
Nitro Member
really... you guys are making me sick.
Rocketman 207
Nitro Member
I'm with you, Jackee...
They're doing just fine in the classes they've been given...KEEP 'EM THERE!
Darryl
Nitro Member
I'm really curious about this. What's so exciting about watching cars that you can't buy going down the track and pretending the manufacturer actually has anything to do with them? No one really believes those are Chevys or Pontiacs or Dodges...do they? Why shouldn't the Pro Stock cars be imports? I've disregarded that whole group of racers (Imports) for so long that it's just become second nature, but there's just something decidedly odd about front wheel drive cars, from any country, with big V8s stuffed in the front and having the word 'Stock' anywhere in the title. I for one am ready for something a little closer to today's reality.
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Nitro Member
Let's see what's an import, the cars made in Mexico and Canada by multinational corporations based in Detroit or the cars made in the U.S. by multinational corporations based in Japan. Hmmm? Oh yeah what cars do most Americans drive and can relate to these days?
S/F
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Professor Dave
Nitro Member
EFI will not get rid of hood scoops-look at the comp cars running EFI (Alan Armstrong or Chad Voges for example)-they still got hood scoops.
ProStockJunkie
Nitro Member
I'm pretty sure you understood what I was refering to.
And, if most Americans are driving imports and want to see them race, they can watch sport compacts... oh wait.... no one was watching them I heard.
ProStockJunkie
Nitro Member
Here's a suggestion for some of you folks.....if watching Pro Stocks as they exist, is not exciting enough for ya, don't watch them. If you like imports, watch them in the classes they already run in. Really seems simple.
Randy
Nitro Member
Here's a suggestion for some of you folks.....if watching Pro Stocks as they exist, is not exciting enough for ya, don't watch them. If you like imports, watch them in the classes they already run in. Really seems simple.
Hi Jackee:
I reread all the posts here and no one but you has said they aren't exciting to watch, except that unless nitro is running the grandstands empty out.
Repeating what I said earlier, I am amazed at what they can do with a little air (meaning naturally aspirated), a full tank of gas (meaning no nitro, no alky, and no nitros) and a lot of $$.
Pro stock has always been a high tech class. They should be allowed to take the class to the next level with stuff available at any dealership.
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