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What does this do for the Holdens in Australia (The cars that Pontiac has been rebranding as G6s, G8s and GTOs).

My understanding is that Holden is not under the GM umbrella at least as far at the US is concerned, and I would guess they will continue to operate.

Any chance they could bring their cars to the US to fill the void?

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What does this do for the Holdens in Australia (The cars that Pontiac has been rebranding as G6s, G8s and GTOs).

My understanding is that Holden is not under the GM umbrella at least as far at the US is concerned, and I would guess they will continue to operate.

Any chance they could bring their cars to the US to fill the void?

holden-commodore-ss%5B2%5D.jpg


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From all reports back home Holden is close to folding also.
 
Correct Jack!

My new '78 Trans Am had a Pontiac T/A 6.6 with Hurst 4-speed shifter. It ran rings around new Z-28's and new Corvettes. It even out ran my original, unrestored 18,000 mile 70 R/T Charger. That car had a perfect 440 Magnum motor. Pontiacs absolutely ruled the streets in the 70's. The earlier Super Duty 455 Trans Ams were torque monsters and ran even better than the T/A 6.6's. The quickest and fastest American cars in the 70's were...Pontiacs! The only Mopar i've owned that was quicker on the street was a '69 Six-Pack lift off hood Super Bee.

I'm a Mopar man, but the Pontiacs were the ones to watch in the 70's. Just ask Burt Reynolds...;)

hey john , how about 61-64. pontiacs and mopars ruled then also. those battles between my friend arnie beswick and the ramchargers or mr. norm or dandy dick were awesome! thats my favorite period in drag racing history. nothing cooler than the altered wheelbase cars!! R.I.P pontiac :(
 
As a Pontiac fanatic, I can tell you there was only one "size" Pontiac V-8 block. The very early V-8s had different starter mounts and different bell housing flanges, but they were essentially unchanged up to that 1978-79 T/A 6.6 400.

The common reference to displacement changes were made in the main bearing diameters. Very early small displacement V-8s had 2.xx inch mains. As the need for cubic inches developed, those mains were too small to support the larger bore and stroke. The next and longest lived version was a 3.00" main. 350, 389 and 400's shared that main.

As the engines grew in size, a 3.25 inch main was used in the 421, 428 and 455 inch engines. In every case, the bores were enlarged and the stroke lenghtened in the same block.

Pontiac V-8s were engineering marvels for their time. They only needed 10 head bolts. Pontiac developed the ball & socket rocker arm. The cylinder heads had fully machined combustion chambers. There were both open and closed chamber versions.

Best of all for street rodding, these engines all developed a lot of torque down low in the RPM range making them a good choice for harrasing other makes of cars. I still shift my stroked 400 at 5,800 RPM.

The 301 was a ******* engine with only 3 main bearings. If not for the turbo option, these engines were boat anchors.

As far as the death of Pontiac, Pontiac has been dead to me since 1979 when the last 400 was sold. After that, they became glorified rent cars with Buick V-6s and "corporate" V-8s (read Chevy and Oldsmobile engines). There was the Iron Duke 4 cylinder that was Pontiac developed, but it wasn't a V-8.

While the latest Trans Ams with their corporate V-8s became quite fast, being old school, these cars were Pontiacs in name only in my opinion. Even the last GTO was powerful and fast. But when it was parked among Hyundai’s, you really had to look to see that it was a GTO. Too bad.

As mentioned in some earlier posts, GM nixed the racing connections in the early 1960s. Lots of "back door" deals from both Chevy and Pontiac kept the racy images of both divisions alive. Things like the "swiss Cheese" framed Bonnevilles and Catalinas came from Pontiac.

Super Duty and HO engines were also manufactured despite the corporate ban. Some pretty politically incorrect things were done in the name of performance in those days. The first GTO was an option on the LeMans to get around introducing a new model that corporate would have had to approve.

Trying something today like the way they produced a GTO back then would be more criminal than some of the things that has been done on Wall Street lately. Have ever seen a Toyota advertisement done on Woodward Ave?

Those were the DAYS! Every division had a fast car. All were influenced by the GTO. There were even fast Ramblers back then.:D
 
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hey john , how about 61-64. pontiacs and mopars ruled then also. those battles between my friend arnie beswick and the ramchargers or mr. norm or dandy dick were awesome! thats my favorite period in drag racing history. nothing cooler than the altered wheelbase cars!! R.I.P pontiac :(

Don' forget Eddie Hill and his Pontiac Powered dragsters.
 
What's the latest with GMH Gerry?

Even as a dies hard Ford guy I would hate to see one of Australia's greatest icons fade away.

Hi mate, like for every other car manufacturer in the world it's difficult for Holden out in the marketplace at the moment. The end of Pontiac and the G8 program was disappointing for them, but Commodore remains #1 in Australia and is still being exported to the Middle East, South Africa, NZ, South America. There's also lots of good positive things happening, so I wouldn't believe the doomsday-ers too much.
 
hey john , how about 61-64. pontiacs and mopars ruled then also. those battles between my friend arnie beswick and the ramchargers or mr. norm or dandy dick were awesome! thats my favorite period in drag racing history. nothing cooler than the altered wheelbase cars!! R.I.P pontiac :(

Those classic battles have been resurected in the 'Nostalgia Super Stock' series. At Monster Mopar Weekend (St Louis) we'll have 60+ Super Stock cars from the early 60's hammering it out. We open it up to all makes...Pontiac, Chevy, Ford, Mercury, etc. I love watching and announcing those battles. The Pontiacs are just as strong as the Max Wedge and HEMI Mopars. There's a black '62 Catalina 4-speed car that rotates the earth when he leaves. Front wheels of that VERY heavy car are up in the air when he grabs second gear. What a riot to announce! It's extra fun to challenge the Mopar guys when Brand X beats them. Very fun indeed...

I'll take some pics this year and send them to you. Chief Pontiac smiles every year at that race. ;)
 
My dad raced a black '62 SD 421 catalina back in the late 60's, unfortunately I was too young to remember any of it. Some time around '71 or '72, he had an engine fire so the car sat in the corner of our backyard until my mom decided to have it hauled off in '84. There was a time I was looking at some stuff inside the car and ran across some time slips that put the car into the low 11 second range and speeds over 120 mph. Next time I see him I'll see if he remembers any real numbers.

John, you should post the pics here on the mater, I'm sure everyone would love to see them, I'd love to see some of the aforementioned catalina.
 
Those classic battles have been resurected in the 'Nostalgia Super Stock' series. At Monster Mopar Weekend (St Louis) we'll have 60+ Super Stock cars from the early 60's hammering it out. We open it up to all makes...Pontiac, Chevy, Ford, Mercury, etc. I love watching and announcing those battles. The Pontiacs are just as strong as the Max Wedge and HEMI Mopars. There's a black '62 Catalina 4-speed car that rotates the earth when he leaves. Front wheels of that VERY heavy car are up in the air when he grabs second gear. What a riot to announce! It's extra fun to challenge the Mopar guys when Brand X beats them. Very fun indeed...

I'll take some pics this year and send them to you. Chief Pontiac smiles every year at that race. ;)

thanks john, i cant wait to see the pics! nostalgia super stock is so awesome, it should be a pro class in the nhra. NOTHING cooler than seeing heavy 4 speed cars with their brand motors in them going fast.
 
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What will happen to that two seat roadster from Saturn & Pontiac? Will it go to Chevy or Buick? It seems that GM has made a habit out of $pending lots of $$ on a model to drop it in a couple of years. I think the US needs a car like that. A Vette is out of reach to many people, and that's the only option for a US made two seat drop top.
Will the new Camaro live?
What is the need for duplicate line of trucks, GMC /Chevy?
 
What will happen to that two seat roadster from Saturn & Pontiac? Will it go to Chevy or Buick? It seems that GM has made a habit out of $pending lots of $$ on a model to drop it in a couple of years. I think the US needs a car like that. A Vette is out of reach to many people, and that's the only option for a US made two seat drop top.
Will the new Camaro live?
What is the need for duplicate line of trucks, GMC /Chevy?

I could see the Solstice under a Chevy brand. Remember the GEO Tracker? It was moved to Chevy and has sold reasonably well through the years. Regarding trucks, the common belief among dealers is that the GMC brand truck will be the single truck brand from GM.
 
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