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New Pro Stock rules released in Denver today

I know they are changing the rule about touching the car during burn-outs. However, can somebody explain to me the reason behind the crew chiefs nudging the cars with their knees as the cars are doing the burn-outs? I also noticed them putting their feet VERY close to the rear tires (inches away). Any rational for that?
Thanks!!
 
Joel, I was wondering that too....only thing that really came to mind was that by nudging the car it may help get all of the tire exposed to the burnout process much like you see some of the PS Bike guys doing when they start rocking the bike back and forth.

Although I do remember seeing somewhere in the rules way back when there was not allowed to be any physical contact with the car during the burnout other than the driver.
 
It's an effort to perform the perfect burnout (sans left or right yaw) in order to facilitate the perfect run. The word perfect is part of the problem in the Pro Stock mentality. If the car attempts to do anything but a perfectly straight burnout it can affect the ability to launch straight from the starting line which could lead to a necessity to have to steer during the run. For most categories of drag racing that's not a big deal. But with how timid and sensitive a Pro Stock car has become this usually means a lost run. The prohibition of guiding a car to a straight burnout is an effort to place driver skill above all else. Good move.
 
Dead on Wes...this whole "perfect" things spreads across all of the pro classes...and the monkey see monkey do crap filters down through all of the other classes including down into the local level and ends up taking up a crap load of time and expense to boot...but is really evident in pro stock.

I think they need to go away with all these track grip devices or whatever I see these guys using these days...whatever happened to a good ole temperature gun and some good ole' shoe kicking of the track on Sunday mornings?

I'd like to see them do away with these guys pushing the fuelers through the box....what in the hell is that all about anyway? All it is going to do is take one person to get snagged and caught up with the car and the next thing you know we have a crew person getting dragged through a burnout and/or possibly worse runover.

The more they do to put the racing back in the hands of the drivers the better. There are probably a good amount of guys that don't need that stuff anyway and can just drive a car by the seat of their pants....Jeg comes to mind right away.
 
They just had a short blip about Roger Brogdon selling his operation to Freeman. Anybody know what happened to Roger?
 
If you look at the scoops today, there's the big "snorkel" type deal which sits on an already high cowl induction type hood. I'm thinking they won't really be flat but will still have a raised hood of some sort. I don't mind either way, the scoops never bothered me. Will definitely help drivers see the tree better from the left lane.
 
I never dreamed I would be saying this but.....Thank you NHRA for listening and making a good start at saving the Pro Stock racers from themselves. Any thing you can do to add random factors to the class will help keep fans in their seats. Now you need to look at pulling the remaining drowning two dozen comp racers out of the fish pond.

It is becoming increasingly clear that most of the pro stock teams really don't give a crap about the spectator. After reading their reactions, they seem to want to keep their silly little class (15 showing up for a race and the world champion unable to market her championship into a sponsorship makes it a silly little class) just as it is. Why not let them show up on Monday and have their own private party with tarps and shrouds and F1 security and have NHRA start over new with a class based on this new wave of muscle cars coming from Detroit and maybe Japan. I really think a stock body, stock chassis(no wheelie bars), 10.5 in tire and wheel, more or less stock engine class could capture the imagination of the fans. I have to think the factories would love to try Win on Sunday, Buy on Monday again.

As for the PSB, the only thing going to save this class is a wholesale change to 600cc stock chassis(no wheelie bars), stock motor, stock bodywork. Nearly every manufacturer could field bikes for the class except.....(I guess we could let them run the 883 Sportster ;/ ) Funny, this class might help NHRA with a larger problem. The average age of the NHRA fan is strangely similar to the qualifying age for AARP. Most 600's are ridden by the under 30 crowd.
 
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I c an't believe so many of you think this is going to save one of the two the most boring "PRO" classes. This time next year the stands will still empty when pro suck..uh.. stock comes to the line. It's not even a good start. If you can't announce a complete 3-5 year plan to evolve to a reconizeable and popular vehicle then there is not much hope for one of the most boring pro classes. JMO
 
I c an't believe so many of you think this is going to save one of the two the most boring "PRO" classes. This time next year the stands will still empty when pro suck..uh.. stock comes to the line. It's not even a good start. If you can't announce a complete 3-5 year plan to evolve to a reconizeable and popular vehicle then there is not much hope for one of the most boring pro classes. JMO
John. You are dead on. It should have been made a sportsman class 20 years ago.
 
I c an't believe so many of you think this is going to save one of the two the most boring "PRO" classes. This time next year the stands will still empty when pro suck..uh.. stock comes to the line. It's not even a good start. If you can't announce a complete 3-5 year plan to evolve to a reconizeable and popular vehicle then there is not much hope for one of the most boring pro classes. JMO
 
So, no covers, drapes or partitions. Would that include jackets if you crash and the front clip comes off??

Greg Anderson didn't seem too thrilled with this development. Didn't he say something like "I hope they listen to reason" or something like that?
 
Chris, probably like all the drapes and covers they use...or used to use...around the engine. It's a shroud of secrecy. Now I don't know what is so secret about a rear end or it's components...you can't really "see" anything else unless you are damn near under the car. I always kind of understood the intake manifold thing when they would keep those covered....I am sure there was some pretty confidential stuff that went into those designs, etc. But this thing of covering the entire engine is just stupid. And the fans spoke and Clifford listened.

I guess I come from the school that hey....if you you think you can whoop my stuff on the track...here's what it looks like...come get ya some...:cool:
 
I really don't think there is anything they can do to keep the stands from emptying when PS runs. The only gas burners people actually pay to watch is Pro Mod and grudge. Pro stock along with the stutter box index cars, and the rest is only filler while they turn the nitro cars around.
 
Perhaps they need to bring back the hot gate. Full stands stands because periodically they would release 2 or 3 pair to make a qualifying pass and then they would open it up and here came all the cars. Perhaps it's way to structured and organized. You just never knew what or when but you knew something was bound to happen if you left the bleachers. Not realisitic but still, just a thought
 
I've re-read these new rules about half a dozen times now, and I'm still struggling to see how they are going to make a positive impact on Pro Stock....either in the pits, or the on-track racing product. I don't see how anything here is going to encourage more racers to come into the class, nor do I see anything that's going to help brand identity, or provide any type of real link to the "stock" cars available for purchase today.

Backing the car into the pits, and unshrouding stuff? Really, who cares? In case you haven't seen it, the between rounds work on a Pro Stock car is pretty tame compared to what the Nitro cars do. Plus....and God knows I love the motors in Pro Stock......a naturally aspirated gas motor warming up in the pits isn't quite the same spectacle as a Nitro car, even with throttle whacks now gone from Top Fuel and Funny car.

Fuel Injection? Yeah, way past time for this. But slapping EFI on the current motors will likely result in very little performance change. Yes, it will cost some serious dollars to develop and implement in the short run, but should actually reduce costs over a few years once they systems are figured out. Still, I don't see new cars coming into the class based on this change alone, and simply adding EFI to the current motor configurations won't do much for the average fan interest, either.

Hood scoops. I don't know about the rest of you, but growing up in the Seventies I had always associated hood scoops with fast race cars. I don't mind the current scoops on the cars, and I'm not sure how removing them is going to do anything but provide drivers in the left lane better visibility of the Tree as the starting line. Again, how is this going to improve class entries, or keep butts in the stands when Pro Stock comes to the staging lanes?

10,500 Rev limiter. Personally, I don't like this one at all. Let 'em spin these motors as hard as they want to! I'm on the fence as to how this will affect performance overall, but I'm willing to bet the fast guys will still be fast, because they have the resources and personnel to make the cars fast at a lower RPM limit. Will this rule bring more cars into the class, or impress the spectators?

Shorter Wheelie Bars might provide more excitement at the Hit. They also might result in a pile of aborted runs, if the cars get too far out of shape when they shock the bars on the launch. We'd all like to see a little more "wild" in the class, and a little more unpredictability. What we don't want to see is a bunch of single car passes, or worse yet, "pedal fests" in Pro Stock.

Bigger windshield stickers? Really, NHRA? I honestly laughed at this one. These new stickers are nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction from NHRA to the OEM's in an effort to provide more brand identity to these bubble shaped cars. Do we really need to be told in bold letters the difference between a fake Camaro, and a fake Dodge Dart?

NHRA Pro Stock is in a tough spot. They'll never be as exciting as the Fuel cars, either on the track, or in the pits. Plus, now Pro Mod has taken over as the "ultimate door slammer class", so the Pro Stockers can't claim that title. It would seem that the only way to really save Pro Stock for the long term, as well as encourage new interest in the class from racers, fans, sponsors, and OEM's would be to return to much more stock appearing vehicles, based on current production cars. As to power, they need to get serious about returning to some sort of production car motor basis, being them naturally aspirated 500 cubic inch race motors based off of the LS, Hemi, and Coyote platforms.......or else just give 'em blowers and turbos on stock based engines.

As was stated above, NHRA should have come out with a 3-5 year plan for Pro Stock, instead of a handful of new rules that will do very little to create more fan excitement, reduce racer costs, or encourage more racers to get into the class.
 
I don't get why the hood scoops are a problem but the goofy, bulged up, damn near as tall as the windshield hoods are OK?...<shug> I guess NHRA and I have just drifted apart...
 
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Hood scoops. I don't know about the rest of you, but growing up in the Seventies I had always associated hood scoops with fast race cars. I don't mind the current scoops on the cars, and I'm not sure how removing them is going to do anything but provide drivers in the left lane better visibility of the Tree as the starting line. Again, how is this going to improve class entries, or keep butts in the stands when Pro Stock comes to the staging lanes?

I agree Christopher...hood scoops screamed "race car"! I don't care for the huge scoops they have now, but I don't think they need to be eliminated either.
 

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