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New NHRA Nitro 'Spec' Engine for Top Fuel and Funny Cars

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I don't know what to think about this . It is my ultimate dream to oneday have a and race a big show nitro funny car , its allready hard enough knowing that there will never be another E.T or Speed record but a spec motor . If this happens then if I ever accomplish my dream then I will wind up feeling like I don't know . I am one of those people who would want to change things and fiddle with things and innovate and make better . I am only 20 years old and have never raced anything before but have dreamed about going drag racing for a while now . I wonder sometimes whether I should just forget about my drag racing dreams and maybe dream about something like bonneville where I could do whatever I wanted .

William,

While bonneville is alot of fun, in my opinion it doesnt nearly compare to the adrenaline rush I get when im at the race track working on a race car. One of my biggest dreams is to someday be able to tune an A-Fuel car, as I dont really want to go into Top Fuel (too many politics). But you know what, if you have a dream you should not let anything stop you...Why dont you see if you can get deeper into the sport by asking these people if you can help? Your going to have to be very persistent and not give up, as that is what I did and my hard work was earned by eventually achieving my dream of working for Mike Ashley. Even though it wasnt exactly what I thought it was and my tenure was short-lived, i will never forget what it felt like to finally be able to see my hard work turn into progress....

Dreams only die when you take your last breath buddy. Dont give up.
:)
 
Maybe I am in the small minority, but I actually LIKE 1000 feet racing.

For starters, it's safer.

My biggest "plus" is that the finish line actually has seats near it. I always sit on the big end (which is where I think the Reserved seats should be!), so this puts me right at the Finish Line. I don't know of any track that has seats at the 1320 mark....

I had this thought about a spec engine: If you specify exactly what I have to run and not a maximum or minimum number for this part or that, aren't you opening up yourself for a greater liability if I go out and hurt myself because YOUR engine blew up and cut one of my tires at 275 mph?

By leaving a little wiggle room for crew chiefs to work in, you put the liability on them and the team owners.

Playing devil's advocate, I can see how this has been done in P/S and PSM for a while, with no obvious after-effects, but they only spec the blocks and heads.
 
What is it with this liability stuff , sounds like a product of people being too willing to sue . In racing accidents happen they are part of the game just like people sometimes have accidents driving down the street . The only time liability should come into it is when a part is not used for the purpose initially designed and then it shouldnt be on the liability of the manufacturer it should be liable to the person who chose to use that part . There is a very good reason racing parts dont generally have warrenties and thats because sometimes they can be stressed more then what they are designed to do depending on the application those parts are run in .

The only reall time that liability for the manufacturers should come into it is when they make a part that for whatever reason isnt upto the spec it should be.

I am not a racer but even I understand that racing is one of those games where you jump in the seat and you know that it is a risk you take and whatever happens happens . I dream of going racing and I know full well that yeah it could kill me but I also know that I have the same chance being hit by a car crossing the road . Death is a given in life oneday it all comes to an end and unfortunatly as human being we don't generally get a say in the matter . Though in saying that safety is important , but you have to accept life has risks
 
If the trickle-down effect of a nitro spec motor will mean jacking around the alky classes to slow them down as well, I say scrap it. I think 1000 ft. sucks, but I'll put up with it if it means leaving the alky classes alone..

Thank you very much.

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Try running one of these alcohol class cars at some of the tracks that have points meets, then get back to us on whether you think they need to be slowed down a bunch or not.

The alcohol classes have always been and will always be the biggest financial losers, from a business standpoint. There are exceptions, but it is from drivers buying the rides, not cost of running verses income potential.


Alcohol racers can vote with their enty forms at shorter tracks. We do.

Alcohol isn't the only loser. Comp racers spend hundreds of thousands for the opportunity to make a few hundred bucks if they make it to later rounds.

Other than the exceedingly optimistic who are in for a big surprise, who actually races in these classes from a "business standpoint?" Not many. Most alky racers are successful business people who chose to spend their entertainment dollars and spare time racing their cars rather than doing anything else.


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Other than the exceedingly optimistic who are in for a big surprise, who actually races in these classes from a "business standpoint?" Not many. Most alky racers are successful business people who chose to spend their entertainment dollars and spare time racing their cars rather than doing anything else.

Well put. Outside of a handful (perhaps at most 10?) pro teams, I challenge anyone who drag races, in any category, at any level, to show a "business model" that consistently turns a profit.

IMHO, there seem to be four levels: business, sideline, vocation, and hobby.
  • Business: Force, Schumacher, Bernstein, Snake, now perhaps AJ, maybe one or two more. They have a business model based around sponsorship and do very well, thank you.
  • Sideline: Jeggy, Rickie Jones, V. Gaines, maybe a few others, whose business is enhanced/augmented/promoted by racing. Sometimes it's hard to tell if it's the cart driving the horse, or the other way around.
  • Vocation: WJ and maybe a few others who manage to make a living doing it. Racing is their job, they manage to take home a paycheck, but certainly aren't "getting rich".
  • Hobby: All the rest, all 30,000+ (or whatever the number is), are just spending their children's inheritance and/or their own retirement -- and most are enjoying the heck out of it. There is no income from any source, or tax writeoff at any level, that even remotely offsets the outflows. No matter what they tell, you, their spouse, or the IRS.
People can move from one category to another, and sometimes people don't fit in one quite so easily. For example, did DSR start as a sideline to Schumacher Electric, or the other way around? Is V's racing a hobby or a sideline to his businesses? Dunno...

John Force certainly turned it from a vocation to a business, and showed many people that it could be done. But it's a feat that few have duplicated, though almost everyone in a national even pit seems to be trying.

At least that's the view from my armchair... :D
 
Since Force invested a million or so dollars painting a Chrysler engine Ford blue, I don't see a change to a spec engine real soon.
 
" Well put. Outside of a handful (perhaps at most 10?) pro teams, I challenge anyone who drag races, in any category, at any level, to show a "business model" that consistently turns a profit.


At least that's the view from my armchair... "


You need a better view of the racing industry than what you are getting from that armchair. There are hundreds of individuals that have/are made/making a good living from the income of their race team. There are many sportsman racers in the south who have never been to a national event that do nothing but race, and from what I see they must be doing very well. Many businesses are started with the race team's income. Others enhance their business with the race team.

I am not going to name names because it really isn't any one's business what someone makes, but I must have talked to 30 individuals at the track in Atlanta this past week end who own teams and make the majority of their incomes from their race team. There are also many team managers, crew chiefs, crew men, pr people, and hospitality workers who make their sole income from drag racing.

Owners come and go, the same as any business program. Sometimes an owner doesn't want the exposure financially anymore, sometimes the petty day to day problems get to them, sometimes it is the rules and costs, sometimes other interests take priority.

I have been a car owner since 1968 when I was discharged from the Army. Every car I have owned, from my first bracket one dragster to my multi car Top Fuel team, has had to pay for itself for me to be at the track. I have changed classes mainly because the circumstances with a particular class changes. I can honestly say that just about every race car I have owned has made a profit for me, sometimes just from it's sales price.

I agree with Randy on who the participants in the alcohol classes are, and they are the reason the class has changed from where it originated to what it is today.
 
I agree with Randy on who the participants in the alcohol classes are, and they are the reason the class has changed from where it originated to what it is today.

In 20 years of aky racing as either a driver/owner or as a buy a ride from me/owner I have enjoyed only a few years where it actually paid for itself. The first year was 1994 when I raced in Japan where I had a Pennzoil International money sponsorship plus Japanese $$ just for showing up and more recently when I was part of Team TORCO/Knoll Gas. I still had to race on a strict budget to pull it off.

At best most sportsman racer sponsorships will provide only a supplement to the racer's actual cost. The rest comes from you-know-who.
 
In 20 years of aky racing as either a driver/owner or as a buy a ride from me/owner I have enjoyed only a few years where it actually paid for itself. The first year was 1994 when I raced in Japan where I had a Pennzoil International money sponsorship plus Japanese $$ just for showing up and more recently when I was part of Team TORCO/Knoll Gas. I still had to race on a strict budget to pull it off.

At best most sportsman racer sponsorships will provide only a supplement to the racer's actual cost. The rest comes from you-know-who.

I'd like to know just how many racers make a profit Drag racing? I'm sure racers like Dan Fletcher or other Professional sportsman racers who have had Major success winning countless races probably do. But I doubt Anybody in Comp Eliminator on up ever come close to making a profit!
 
NHRA's Spec Engine

Under news and analysis on DRO Burke was saying that NHRA is developing a spec engine with one mag and one fuel pump and then return to the quartermile. Burke thinks that this could be one of the biggest developments in racing in over 50 years and will encourage bigger fields. I say good! Things have been out of control for far to long.
 
Virgil,
Do you even think the fuel systems and 2 spd transmission would every come back?
The fuel systems with timers and all with direct drive has changed TF and TAD in my 2 cents.
 
Would the rest of the Drag Racing World follow??????

We still have 1/4 mile drag racing in here in Australia and in Europe as well.

I suppose if these new parts where eventually all that was available, we would soon follow the US.......

Alan
 
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