Muscle cars vs pony cars?

[chop]

I understand what you are saying, and just for sake of the discussion. If I have a 67 427 Corvette that the engine blew after six months and was replaced under factory warranty. Is it still an original numbers matching car?

Alan

No because the original vin # would not be on the block. Cheverolet stated putting vin #'s on engines before Olds did but not sure when. Another thing you get into with originality is date codes on various parts. It gets really anal with rare cars.

 

[none]

Appreciate the information, that's why I was asking. When I was told that a date code 68 head would be considered "Original" on my 67 car as a warrenty replacement. (Again, I'm not saying that is gospel, just what I was told at the time)

Isn't that number stamped in? So could a replacement just be stamped with the original number? Because each individual block wasn't cast with a different number. Right?

Interesting discussion.

Alan

 

[z28]

That’s a very interesting question Alan, maybe if the block and heads could be used in the rebuild, total replacement I would think it would not be considered numbers matching, just my assumption not a expert on this

usually the owner will or should reveal that. the block can be traced back as a genuine replacement by GM, Ford, etc. usually doesn't have much effect in the pricing I've seen.

 

[Butch]

I understand what you are saying, and just for sake of the discussion. If I have a 67 427 Corvette that the engine blew after six months and was replaced under factory warranty. Is it still an original numbers matching car?

Alan

Alan, that reminded to of a guy in my neighborhood had a 69 Z28. He grinaded two engines, but his uncle owned the dealership. So I imagine he got a better treatment than Joe Blow.
But that would've brought into the scenario you mentioned.

 

[Jim]

A 68 Mustang 6 cyl. is a Pony Car, Same car with the 428, Muscle Car.

Wouldn't a pony car with a 428 be a horse car?

 

[chop]

Appreciate the information, that's why I was asking. When I was told that a date code 68 head would be considered "Original" on my 67 car as a warrenty replacement. (Again, I'm not saying that is gospel, just what I was told at the time)

Isn't that number stamped in? So could a replacement just be stamped with the original number? Because each individual block wasn't cast with a different number. Right?

Interesting discussion.

Alan

The vin # stamping on engines is very hard to duplicate. Engine restamping is very much frowned upon and it has caused a lot of grief in the muscle car world. It can be done and when restamps are caught it can and will cause the seller legal issues. Chevy' restamping is the worst. The vin# is stamped on the deck on a pad right in front of the right hand cylinder head. When the deck a Chevy block you lose the OEM vin #. There's absolutely nothing wrong with using replacement parts but it hurts the value of a matching number correct car.

 

[ironpony]

Alan, that reminded to of a guy in my neighborhood had a 69 Z28. He grinaded two engines, but his uncle owned the dealership. So I imagine he got a better treatment than Joe Blow.
But that would've brought into the scenario you mentioned.

There are more 69 Z28's registered right now than were originally built.

 

[Cliff]

I dunno if I'd want a real, numbers matching car. Pay 1/2 million for a Hemi and never drive it, etc. If I had the $$ to buy something, I'd want it updated w modern engine, steering, disc brakes, all that. Resto-mod is what you'd call it, I guess. I used to really like Fords. Now I like older cars, don't care if it's Mopar or GM or Studebaker. Or maybe a '50 Chevy pick up with a modern day Camaro V6 engine. Plenty of power for a daily driver.

 

[M Jones]

I dunno if I'd want a real, numbers matching car. Pay 1/2 million for a Hemi and never drive it, etc. If I had the $$ to buy something, I'd want it updated w modern engine, steering, disc brakes, all that. Resto-mod is what you'd call it, I guess. I used to really like Fords. Now I like older cars, don't care if it's Mopar or GM or Studebaker. Or maybe a '50 Chevy pick up with a modern day Camaro V6 engine. Plenty of power for a daily driver.

Hope to have my 1965 f-100 running this fall ( 2005 Shelby Gt 500 5.4 short block, trickflow heads, Whipple supercharger, electronic fuel injection, 5 speed, power rack and pinion steering, power brakes ) I wouldn’t trade it for anything, all the fun of driving old iron with modern technology, hope you find your favorite hot rod too

 

[stitcherbob]

I understand what you are saying, and just for sake of the discussion. If I have a 67 427 Corvette that the engine blew after six months and was replaced under factory warranty. Is it still an original numbers matching car?

Alan

In the restoration world, the answer is , “sort of”. A numbers matching car will always bring the most money. From there it’s a sliding scale. A replacement engine has to have either a dealer invoice dated during the warranty replacement, a “date coded block, or a correct for the year engine. The values reflect just how much effort was put into getting the right proof or parts . My Packard Caribbean customer had UPS drop his original engine on it’s nose and broke all the main webs inside, so he procured a correct engine for his 1956. When it was decked it lost any stampings that the factory engraved on the block. So it’s a correct 374 dual quad V8 in every way except for one fortunate addition. The crankshaft turned out to be a super rare warranty replacement forged unit! Apparently it was in the dealership back in 56-57 needing a crank. Since Studebaker bought Packard there were new ways of running things and forged cranks was one of them…
But here’s the thing with Mopars… the VIN number of the car is stamped on the oil pan rail, so the replacement won’t have that gold standard of identification