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- Thread starter yoda
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So just shorten the wick on the same size bomb? I can see them melting to the ground every pass - Yep thats a way to reduce costs
TK
Oh and do the Big Show cars really need spark after the hit ? I thought they were working on compression and heat. MM can you correct me on this ?
Larry jr.
Nitro Member
Then they could all put 60's and 70's bodys on them and name them instead of having corporate sponsors and logos, or maybe do tribute cars from the past, so they can book them into little tracks around the country for tow money, trophys and BBQ.
MM
Nitro Member
They can keep running, but it won't be at optimal performance. I've seen a coil fall off at half track and the car kept running, but it wasn't happy.
I've said it a million times and I'll say it again (and get flamed for it again) give the fuel cars all the tire, timing, blower, fuel and everything else the can use to make horsepower. BUT take away 50% of the aero-generated grip. Make floppers actually look like the cars they are "supposed" to be. Sure, use a small front spoiler to keep air from under the car, but no more cartoon-like extended noses, no more tailgates on Mustangs and Chargers and no more narrowed bodies. As for the dragsters, same thing drop the wing 18" and narrow it a foot. Let 'em do whatever they need to the front to balance the thing out and I'll bet anything that speeds drop, the cost of racing will drop and racing will become better. Or keep it the way it is and watch a couple mega-teams be the only real championship contenders year after year.
Fuel FC Fan
Nitro Member
Only problem with that idea is they could start getting waaay to loose somewhere in the middle of the run. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
Hard to reel back in a Nitro Car loose at W.O.T.
I could be wrong.
clwill
Nitro Member
They'll do that about twice. Then they'll live within what they have and make it work.
TooTall999
Nitro Member
This is sort of the same idea I had, but I was thinking more along limiting the amount of traction compound and slowing the cars down that way. Make the crew chiefs tune the cars down to race the surface. There'd be no point to running the cars on kill.
TooTall999
Nitro Member
So the idea isn't to watch cars blow the tires off...it's to see the tuners slow down and adapt to the track surface. Back in the day guys like Jungle Jim could go to any track and adapt to it. Todays crew chief- tuners could take a lesson. Everyone has different theories on how to change the engines or blower pulleys or fuel pumps; making them adapt to the track would just bring out the best tuners and slow the cars down.
David, today's tuners do adapt to the tracks/conditions, they just enjoy much better conditions, tires, etc. than back in the day. Its funny how those who don't have to deal with the changes, always want to make them ... what we've got right now has produced great racing, tight fields, and no major safety issues in a while.
That's true, but more often than not, modern fuel racing is a power show, and the top guys all know how to run a big number so it becomes a power struggle among just a couple of cars every week. But if you think back to when Jim Dunn won with (I think) Tony Bartone a few years back at Seattle. The track was not good, yet all the guys good at getting down a sketchy track (Densham, Wilk, Dunn, etc) were suddenly dominant every round while the big dogs fell. Imagine that happening every week, and I personally think it would without all that aero grip to lean on the motor, allowing he with the biggest checkbook to set on kill. A side benefit would be slower ET's, lower speeds and less destruction, since more power would never be the answer. It's the same with all sorts of pavement racing, aero grip elevates speeds and elevates costs, going back to Forumula 1 back in the '60's. Yes, all the chicken littles claim the sky will definitely fall if you start removing downforce, the cars will fly, etc. But I think the cars will never be able to reach insane speeds if they just rely on mechanical grip alone, thereby limiting the amount of horsepower that's really usable at any time. And since modern parts are built to handle killer power, backing it down to help it stick to the track would result in longer life for EVERYTHING, which would result in more teams being able to afford nitro racing, which would result in better racing. It's got to be better than the thinking that if teams toss all their high-dollar parts in the dumpster and go to a totally new engine combo.
Nick Name
Nitro Member
I think what you see on Saturday is if a car is qualified good, then they will take a shot to try and find out what the track will hold.
Paul
Nitro Member
To be honest I think any approach that limits just a single variable, ie traction, fuel flow, blower size or displacement may be flawed. For example too much power and limited traction is not a good place to be.
Limiting fuel flow or blower size/overdrive is going to give an advantage to the high dollar teams that can afford R+D to get an edge within those rules, similar to the NASCAR restrictor plate engines. Those are by far the most expensive engines developed for NASCAR.
I think the only approach that would give reasonable results may be to back off on all the major limits which is unfortunately the most expensive way to go.
Limiting fuel flow or blower size/overdrive is going to give an advantage to the high dollar teams that can afford R+D to get an edge within those rules, similar to the NASCAR restrictor plate engines. Those are by far the most expensive engines developed for NASCAR.
I think the only approach that would give reasonable results may be to back off on all the major limits which is unfortunately the most expensive way to go.
Paul
Nitro Member
Now that would make starting line burn downs interesting-
