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Force A 1.70 light then up in smoke!

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ya know what folks there's really no way to prove this one way or the other. Each side can pile their evidence for or against this.

In the end lets not crap on anyones first ever win. It's her 4th final and 3rd this year. She was a win waiting to happen. She actually called this issue a few races ago when her and John made it to the semi's. She won to get into the finals and he didn't she said then that although she wanted him to win she was releived. Because if anything went wrong against him people would question it.

Congrats to Ashley and her team
 
I cannot lie to you people... I too was ready to post something cynical here. But then I thought, you know what - it doesn't matter now - and who cares? And how the hell do I know what really happened? Any way you look at it, It's a great day for drag racing. I am proud of the Force family, and proud to be an NHRA fan. I come to you in peace.
One thing I will throw out, which I picked up on IMMEDIATELY during the morning show..... with all due respect, that girl needs to smile more. I think she smiled 4 times. I don't care what mood you're in, or how bad you slept..... when you're on national TV with sponsors like that.... you have to put on your happy face. I wondered if she even wanted to do the TV show, or was told to do it. But again, it doesn't matter now. I get the feeling we'll be seeing alot more wins from her.
Good job by team Force!
 
Did he throw the final? Maybe, maybe not. Doesnt matter, Ash won and she's had the best car the last 3 races so it really doesnt matter. And I think he was really pissed on the top end. Nothing like I expected when she would win her first and how he'd react. And like has been previously stated, Neff and Hight before the final all did the same exact thing in the left lane, smoked'em right after applying the gas. And I'll be honest, if it were me I'd let her win.
 
Do either of you know John or anyone at JFR? Probably not. I watched Ashley make a very shaky start in Super Comp several years ago at Firebird with a very nervous Dad watching. Your thoughts that this was a dive are total BS.
You might want to take notice that Ashley has extended her #1 position in FC after two previous final round performances without any evidence of JFR diving.
I try to keep my replies here positive, but you are idiots - :mad:


Hmmm.........idiots? No, I don't think that is it.

Jealousy?
Envy?

The inane need to pick apart anything good in others successful, happy lives by spewing useless drivel to inflate their own sagging egos and compensate for their own moribund and cynical existances?

More like it methinks.

I remember when John was defeated at the Winters by Tim Grose, I cannot recall the exact year (CRS), it might have been 1986.
It was when Tim had to rip his goggles off during the run so he could see where he was going.
Anyhoo..... being interviewed at the top end after his one of many bridesmaid appearances in a final before his first win, I was struck by how much yesterdays and that long ago losers circle;) interview were almost exactly the same.
A driven individual that absolutely HATES to lose. John was not happy at all.

And the thought of the unacceptability of losing is enough to cast REASONABLE (unheard of by those of you who cannot reason) doubt that John threw the race.

Stuff...........happens. :eek:

And as far as the cameras following John around at the top end? And John acting? I would argue that if the cameras did that at each and every race or round or lousy qualifying effort or DNQ........ya' possibly might.......see somewhat worse. Just guessin':)

In a post before mine Chris mentions that he was about to make a cynical comment, and thought the better of it. That is called wisdom in my book.

In closing I would like to paraphrase (quote would be the wrong term for me to use, as CRS is rearing its ugly head again this morning).......

A cynic has the unique ability to not only find fault in today and yesterday, but also to prematurely defeat himself in the future.

Gladly and by Gods Good Graces, I am NOT a cynic.
That is one bummer of a person to be around.
Especially for the cynic.

REX
 
Did he throw the final? Maybe, maybe not. Doesnt matter, Ash won and she's had the best car the last 3 races so it really doesnt matter. And I think he was really pissed on the top end. Nothing like I expected when she would win her first and how he'd react. And like has been previously stated, Neff and Hight before the final all did the same exact thing in the left lane, smoked'em right after applying the gas. And I'll be honest, if it were me I'd let her win.

Dittos.

I guess for anyone to really know.........

They would have to drag themselves up by their own bootstraps from an impoverished youth, scratch and claw their way up the ladder, never give up, become THE most prolific WINNER in drag racing history, run a very large and successful enterprise with little or no formal training, gain respect and admiration from your fans decade after decade, the respect from your competitors that is quite evident, loyalty from your team, raise very good and decent children, make them get an education themselves first and foremost, go through tremendous emotional and physical pain, make a heroic comeback, and wind up in that situation we wittnessed last night.

So in my book, any of you ballon popping sticks in the mud......want to accomplish all that, and tell me here and now EXACTLY what they would do, and how they would judge their own actions.......

Well......by all means.....

Be my guest.:)

REX
 
yeah, naysayers bunch of morons. there's absolutely no way nhra would script this deal to ride danica's PR coattails. no way in hell they are so above that.

oh and one other thing - thanks marty reid - during the irl race he says something to the effect of you need to watch the nhra race today , after showing a side by side pic of danica and ashley. can't tell us exactly what went on, he says. Well what else would it be Mary. I mean seriously just tell us you think we're stupid. Just come out and say it. and then the whole build up to the final race I mean who do you think won.

maybe they grabbed a few extra viewers but they sure treated the loyal ones like dirt.

Seeeeee.........that'll teach ya' to watch the IRL:D
 
Ashley has been in 4 of the last 8 finals, 1 win, and she didn't back into the victory. She has been down the track without smoking the tires 12 runs in a row during eliminations and won 10 of them. Pretty darn good no matter what was going on in the other lane.
 
It may not have been anybody's ideal way to win the race. But she won and t he entire sport can reap the benefits of exposure that she's going to create.

If the semi finals had been the finals, there'd been no argument about Capps going up in smoke.

Tim and I had a long talk last night about how Ashley's going to have to 'Justify' this win. She shouldn't have to, as fans of the sport you guys should rally behind her and not cast doubt on the show that's put on.

I'm not a fan of any of the Force team, but I would have liked to see them go at it side by side, but that didn't happen.
 
Ashley didn't cut a very good light either, I think John really wanted to make her earn her first win...Did Worsham give the first round to her too??? I think not...
 
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as far as johns light goes if you have ever driving a race car when the light comes on if something else is in your mind you our cutting a bad light and who knows what was on johns mind with all that he has been through in the last year and deep down he had to be pulling for his daughter just like ever other father would be if we were lucky enough to be in that situation. as bob fry would say or maybe he did i wasn't there she went right down broadway with stout 4.83 great win ASHLEY!
 
Maybe John was acting so mad because he didn't want it to look so obvious.

Either way, I am glad to see Ashley get her first of what will probably be, many wins. Heck, she may even beat her Dad in a final again!

If John Force did throw that race, did it hurt the sport? I would have to say no way it did. This was a win/win situation for NHRA. It was a good story, no matter who won. This is getting a lot of press and made the front page of ESPN.com. However it happened, it is done now, and it is bringing positive light to Drag Racing. Isn't it great to see an article on the front of ESPN.com that doesn't have anything to do with one of our drivers dying?

John Force is one heck of a business man. IF he did throw that race, it will turn out to be just another one of his brilliant moves. We can debate the issue all we want, but years from now when people are looking back on this, they won't be talking about whether or not John threw this race. And neither will I.
 
Back in the good old days a lot of pro's posted on Nitromater. I should say...Way back in the good ol' days...This thread is a prime example as to why they are all gone from this website.

A couple dozen posts about Ashley's supposed tainted win on Nitromater isn't going to rain on her (or anyone else's) parade.

The fact is, as stated here before, she ran good enough to win and had the most consistant FC on the grounds. And win she did.
 
Uh, I'm very positive that this thread is a little bit nega...no wait...I...no....shoot! What I meant to say was.......and that's my final word. well, maybe. Dang!
 
People to put on your ignore list.
Jeff Knowler, Steve Mills, James Forney, Steve Wiedner, you guy's give this place a bad name.

Added to the above list:
Joe Sherwood
Jack Issi
Dennis Fermano
Chris Schoen
Joe Fuchita
Shannon Timm
Vaughn Voth

I was very happy to see Ashley win, its very good for the sport, she has been to more than one final round and earned her shot, I just wonder if John the Dad was driving and let her have a chance that may not come real soon ,
I ment no disrespect to Ashley or John.
 
Personally I think John accidentally went up in smoke....IF and I repeat IF he wanted to throw the race there are a LOT MORE ways for him to throw the race & make it look good... Blowing the tires off is so obvious that I doubt John and his crew couldn't come up with a soft set up or just leave the head bolts loose or run it on 2 qts of oil...he can well afford a motor.. and who would know if it blew up at the 1/8 mile...
 
People to put on your ignore list.
Jeff Knowler, Steve Mills, James Forney, Steve Wiedner, you guy's give this place a bad name.

Added to the above list:
Joe Sherwood
Jack Issi
Dennis Fermano
Chris Schoen
Joe Fuchita
Shannon Timm
Vaughn Voth

Or you could try holding you breath until we stop speaking our minds. Your signature isnt exactly giving this place a "good name" as you define it.
 
Tim's Son Andrew talking to his Dad:"Ashley Force won the race Dad."
Tim Talking to his Son Andrew."Was there a reason why she did Drew"
ANDREW'S RESPONSE: "Yes. Because in the Final round her car crossed the finish line 1st!"

Sometimes the mind of a 6 year old tends to come up with the most obvious answers to things folks. Stop diggin at something that's just not there!
 
As far as I'm concerned, as precious as a first win is, there's just no way that John would let Ashley get it by him doing a 9.5 off the high board, tainting it forever. No way.
 
People to put on your ignore list.
Jeff Knowler, Steve Mills, James Forney, Steve Wiedner, you guy's give this place a bad name.

Added to the above list:
Joe Sherwood
Jack Issi
Dennis Fermano
Chris Schoen
Joe Fuchita
Shannon Timm
Vaughn Voth

Wow,I knew I would probably get pounded for starting this post but come on, I've been lurking on this board for about 5 yrs. and have been registered for the last 2,obviously this board has a huge JFR fan following. although I think putting my name on an ignore list for voicing my opinion is a little out there you can't dispute the fact that most of the talk of diving that has surfaced on this board since I have been here has involved JFR drivers. So think what you want,I don't totally dispute his car going up in smoke but a .170 light by a driver of Forces credentials is suspect to say the least.
 
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