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stitcherbob
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maybe not
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/fashion/05cats.html?ref=fashion
I like cats because I can leave them with food and water and go away for a few days if necessary ( I type this as I am yelling at the older one for cornering and growling at Lily under the recliner
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flapjack
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Glad I paid for an ad free nitromater experience: http://nitromater.com/threads/ad-free-zone-paid.39488/
I was NITRO BREATH
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I think forums have ebbs and flows. The only other forum im active in has lost most of the older members to facebook. A core group has persisted but involvement has been minimal. Lately the remaining members have asked the same question. Where is everybody?? And that has prompted many of the missing members to check in. Showing that people do read forums but don't necessarily post
Nick Name
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As the forums collapsed, we have dropped our ads in them and put the resources into Facebook marketing. It works very well and it is immediate. We put up a product release, and within minutes we are getting inquiries from around the world.
The forums have been lowering ad prices to try and retain their advertisers. We are still on several sites that is free. They do that to make it look like they have lots of advertisers.
The forums have been lowering ad prices to try and retain their advertisers. We are still on several sites that is free. They do that to make it look like they have lots of advertisers.
StockersRock
Nitro Member
Haha, right on!
I play in a cover band playing clubs, weddings, corporate events, etc. Lots of 4/4, because we want people to continue to dance (and pay us), haha!
www.jhatrocks.com
Bullard Anderson
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I like Twitter. I like Nitromater. I like Funny Cars. Long live the 'mater.
stitcherbob
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Gordon
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I check up on what people are discussing on Nitromater approximately once a week or so - sometimes more, sometimes less. I rarely log in, and I feel the need to comment on a topic even less. Why? I've commented on all, or most of it already... just go back three, four, five or even 10 years. It's all the same discussions regurgitated and revisited over and over.
People will disagree with me on this next point, and that's fine, but I think the problem is the sport itself. From it's inception through the 80's and even into the 90's it was exciting each year to see the new developments and advancements, but all the cars are cookie-cutter anymore and performance has more or less stagnated - the laid back headers last year notwithstanding. Like Ace once alluded too, the closer to zero the ET''s get, the less interesting the sport becomes. Even the most die hard fans grow relatively tired of seeing the same runs over and over every weekend. And yes, I know there are ebbs and flows, and even a few minor performance gains here and there - I get it. But by and large it's teams with a LOT of data (and teammates) facing teams with a lot LESS data (and no teammates) and the results are extremely predictable. Given that, what's the motivation for the low-buck team to show up and try to qualify, or for fans to show interest? It's not just the message boards - look at the stands on almost any given telecast. Lots of folks dressed as empty seats. It used to be a game that could be played by almost anyone with some mechanical ingenuity and it was fun for those of us who lacked that ingenuity to watch. Now it's all about bringing money to the table no matter how much talent you have - if it wasn't Larry Dixon would still have a full-time ride, and so would many others. Skuza, anyone?
Is it Graham Light's fault? Maybe, I dunno. I think there are many contributing factors, some of which he may have control over, but most probably not. Is it the multi-car teams that are the problem? Again, they're likely contributing, but there's more to it than that too. The guys who turn left for a living still have to rely on and apply a great deal of skill each and every lap, even when performance (speed) has stalled & stagnated - and that skill translates to the viewer in terms of passing, drafting, pit stops, race management, fuel management, etc. NHRA drivers are extremely skilled at what they do, but it doesn't translate to the viewer - heck, most casual observers can't even explain a holeshot (or how it doesn't always tell the whole story). It's just not as appealing as it once was.
I still watch almost every race, though I find myself skipping the qualifying shows more often than I used too, but it's rare that an event or even a run excites me anymore. Note: Cruz's run in Vegas was very exciting. And it's a shame that this place isn't lit up like the River Walk on the fourth of July with talk about Ron Capps being arguably closer than he's ever been to finally nailing down the title. It's briefly touched on in the Cubs thread, but even there the discussion trails off to baseball. So I'll say it here - I'm a Wilk fan first, but I would absolutely love to see Ron finally capture that elusive first Championship! #NAPAKNOWHOW
Flame Away...
People will disagree with me on this next point, and that's fine, but I think the problem is the sport itself. From it's inception through the 80's and even into the 90's it was exciting each year to see the new developments and advancements, but all the cars are cookie-cutter anymore and performance has more or less stagnated - the laid back headers last year notwithstanding. Like Ace once alluded too, the closer to zero the ET''s get, the less interesting the sport becomes. Even the most die hard fans grow relatively tired of seeing the same runs over and over every weekend. And yes, I know there are ebbs and flows, and even a few minor performance gains here and there - I get it. But by and large it's teams with a LOT of data (and teammates) facing teams with a lot LESS data (and no teammates) and the results are extremely predictable. Given that, what's the motivation for the low-buck team to show up and try to qualify, or for fans to show interest? It's not just the message boards - look at the stands on almost any given telecast. Lots of folks dressed as empty seats. It used to be a game that could be played by almost anyone with some mechanical ingenuity and it was fun for those of us who lacked that ingenuity to watch. Now it's all about bringing money to the table no matter how much talent you have - if it wasn't Larry Dixon would still have a full-time ride, and so would many others. Skuza, anyone?
Is it Graham Light's fault? Maybe, I dunno. I think there are many contributing factors, some of which he may have control over, but most probably not. Is it the multi-car teams that are the problem? Again, they're likely contributing, but there's more to it than that too. The guys who turn left for a living still have to rely on and apply a great deal of skill each and every lap, even when performance (speed) has stalled & stagnated - and that skill translates to the viewer in terms of passing, drafting, pit stops, race management, fuel management, etc. NHRA drivers are extremely skilled at what they do, but it doesn't translate to the viewer - heck, most casual observers can't even explain a holeshot (or how it doesn't always tell the whole story). It's just not as appealing as it once was.
I still watch almost every race, though I find myself skipping the qualifying shows more often than I used too, but it's rare that an event or even a run excites me anymore. Note: Cruz's run in Vegas was very exciting. And it's a shame that this place isn't lit up like the River Walk on the fourth of July with talk about Ron Capps being arguably closer than he's ever been to finally nailing down the title. It's briefly touched on in the Cubs thread, but even there the discussion trails off to baseball. So I'll say it here - I'm a Wilk fan first, but I would absolutely love to see Ron finally capture that elusive first Championship! #NAPAKNOWHOW
Flame Away...
FABMAN
Nitro Member
A lot of the things Gordon wrote about is true. I believe the economy has hurt attendance in NHRA and Nascar, it is not a particular persons fault in the organizations they just flat aren't making money that they use too. Heck in 1975 I was making 1200 a week as front end mechanic at local dealership and that number is a struggle for a lot of people to make today. I think the answer is our younger people, I am hoping to get my grandchildren started in few year providing money is available.
Jimbo
Nitro Member
It's simple people interests are changing from what they liked just 5 or 10 years ago.
I may not agree with it or even like it but that is the way it is. I guess you really cannot fight change times.
Today I had a nice talk with a friend from New Jersey who has been buying and selling street rods and lead sleds for 50 years and he was telling how hard it had become to even get decent money for a street rod and he said forget about trying to sell a lead sled these day's because there simply is no interest.
It's not only drag racing and oval racing that's in trouble either !!!! When you read about NFL owners meeting to discuss why the TV ratings this year are so low.
Profession golf, and many other forms of sports are seeing the exact same trends happening.
Just my opinion and we all know opinions are like toilet seats and everyone has one.
Jim Hill
www.nostalgicracingdecals.com
I may not agree with it or even like it but that is the way it is. I guess you really cannot fight change times.
Today I had a nice talk with a friend from New Jersey who has been buying and selling street rods and lead sleds for 50 years and he was telling how hard it had become to even get decent money for a street rod and he said forget about trying to sell a lead sled these day's because there simply is no interest.
It's not only drag racing and oval racing that's in trouble either !!!! When you read about NFL owners meeting to discuss why the TV ratings this year are so low.
Profession golf, and many other forms of sports are seeing the exact same trends happening.
Just my opinion and we all know opinions are like toilet seats and everyone has one.
Jim Hill
www.nostalgicracingdecals.com
