Vegas attendance (1 Viewer)

Dragracer

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The attendance at Vegas today looked like a division race. I don't think I have ever seen more empty seats at any national event. I first thought it was during the non-pro racing where everyone goes to the pits but it wasn't. You could have also rolled a bowling ball down the middle of the pro pits.
 
The April Vegas race routinely has modest attendance. Spring is coming up north, fewer people travel there for the weather. The fall race happens when it's getting good and cold up north, and as the season championships are being determined, so it has much better attendance.
 
Weak crowd for a National Event maybe, but they WISH they a drew a crowd like that for Divisional/Regionals! They had a Divisional race at Vegas last weekend, there is no way there were 500 paid spectators for the weekend!
 
It's Groundhog's Day again on The Mater. During every NHRA event someone sees it on TV and sees a bunch of empty seats and comments on it. It seems like it happens every time there is a race. It's predictable.

In all seriousness, it seems like every track that has two events has a weak sister, a race that is sparse with spectators. This one sounds like the worst yet from your description. Time to do the cheap family seats or just do one race there per year. The first Vegas race seems to get largely ignored in it's importance and why does the tour go all the way out west again when it was just in Phoenix a month ago?
 
One reason for the poor spectator count is our sport better viewed on tv.
We've got very low cars, what do we do? we build a wall right next to them.
Any other sport the photogs are against the stadium sitting on the ground to stay out of the way, not us, we let them right next to the wall. Then in case you still may get a shot of a race car, they get up on ladders.

I don't blame folks for NOT paying big $$ for tix just to see 3 dozen butt cracks.
 
Jon Asher posted this at the end of his Vegas editorial on Saturday on Comp plus..

"Harsh as it might appear, we can’t conclude today’s roundup without at least once again mentioning the very poor spectator turnout for this race. We may be reaching the point where LVMS simply can’t support two national events. Years ago a doubling up of races at the Motorplex and Houston resulted in such high expenses versus profit that the second events at each track had to be dropped. The same thing could happen here because the fall race is that much bigger – in every respect. This is a fantastic facility in a major league city, but like Los Angeles, there is so much to do in Las Vegas that picking the drags over something like one of the concerts taking place nightly, or simply enjoying the nightlife of The Strip and its gaudy casinos, sometimes becomes the easier choice."

http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...vegas-saturday
 
.......During every NHRA event someone sees it on TV and sees a bunch of empty seats and comments on it.......

that's typically what happens, and sometimes it's someone who attended the race. it is a viable topic worthy of discussion.

IMO a lot of those empty seats are former paying fans who are very knowledgeable of the nhra and have become disenchanted with
the live product.
 
Vegas seems sort of a non-friendly spectator place. I have only been there for motorcycle events, and always had a pit parking pass, but with that parking lot across the street, you could end up walking almost a mile from where you park to the actual track.

I think people interested in big show drag racing would rather watch it on TV than deal with that.
 
Vegas seems sort of a non-friendly spectator place. I have only been there for motorcycle events, and always had a pit parking pass, but with that parking lot across the street, you could end up walking almost a mile from where you park to the actual track.

I've been to nearly every track west of Denver and Vegas is so much better than the rest, the difference is almost immeasurable.
 
I haven't been going to Vegas for tons of years, but Friday was the least attended day I have seen there. I kept thinking they would show up later, but they never did.

Saturday was pretty decent. Sunday was slightly less than Saturday. There was tons of open space everywhere. Section E looked like it was the most filled.

As for parking, I never have had to park more than two rows away. It's free parking, and convenient. I love it.

The facility staff are definitely more intense, in your face, and engaged with you. The first people I experienced at the track were the ticket takers. Even before you get to the line, they are aggressively commanding orders at you. If you have bags, they guide you to the security bag check like they were TSA.

The ticket scanner people square off with you like it was football and you were trying to get past them. Then, they grab your ticket out of your hand, scan it, give it back, and move out of the way.

Then, others try to block your path with program sales, then immediately after that, the people that hand out free bags try to push them on you. When you leave to go to your car, they again block your path and force you to dig out your ticket again so they can scan you out of the facility. Repeat all this when you come back in. I will say that at the end of the day when you are exitting, they are very courteous and say "thank you, goodbye, we'll see you next time" to every person.

They had tons of security people guarding each general admission bleacher. It seemed pointless because there really doesn't seem there is a need for it, honestly. I wish they would use that money to instead provide hand washing stations near the porta toilets (which are placed waaay far away from the bleachers and toward the campers). You know, the kind you pump with your foot. Famoso raceway in Bakersfield can afford them why can't LVMS?

I think people have now figured out that general admission ticket holders are no longer allowed anywhere on the grandstand side of the track especially including along the fence. The security make damn well sure you know this.

The sun on the GA side is brutal. Plus, they cannot see the big screen tv. I will say that the GA bleachers were angled to the track and not parallel with; this was frickin great! We could all see the racing surface easily and no one stood up. It was a great change. They should do this every time.

Fremont street was jam packed Saturday night. Some country music event had taken over the place and it was packed!!!

Traffic wise, I had zero problem before or after the event.
Coming home on the I15 corridor between 7 and 9 pm, it was wide open. Normally, many Angelinos jam that thing but this time it was free and clear. Gas in Vegas was $3.69 a gallon, gas in L.A. is about $4 bux.

But the weather was really nice and enjoyable. All in all, I still had a great frickin time. Pics coming soon. :D
 
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Vegas seems sort of a non-friendly spectator place. I have only been there for motorcycle events, and always had a pit parking pass, but with that parking lot across the street, you could end up walking almost a mile from where you park to the actual track.

I think people interested in big show drag racing would rather watch it on TV than deal with that.

I think parking is great especially when its free. Look at tracks like pomona that have expensive parking can be up $40 to be close. I think part of the problem is that ticket prices are out of control $66 for sunday. Basic economics tells us at some point the precieved value is decreased. The april race also always seem to the same weekend of another be event in town this year it was the country music awards which drives hotel rates up. It was hot I only lasted 2 of the days lol
 
I've been to nearly every track west of Denver and Vegas is so much better than the rest, the difference is almost immeasurable.

I absolutely agree.

I have been to 2/3 of the National Event tracks, and from a spectator standpoint, Vegas is number 1 on the list by a country mile in every way. Closest parking that is free. Closest place to park your camper to the track. Easiest pits to move about. Plenty of real bathrooms and port a potties. Awesome and convenient concessions on both sides of the track. Easiest to move from the spectator side to the pit side, that tunnel rules for the spectators. No curfew, though they don't seem to take advantage of this anymore. Easiest to get in and out of, direct access to I-15. Oh by the way, when you leave the track you are in Vegas (not Topeka or Reading or Commerce LOL)!

After living in Vegas for 20 years that track spoiled me rotten. Now when I go to any other facility, I am inevitably disappointed.

(In the interest of full disclosure, I have not been to Charlotte yet nor have I been to Norwalk, but we are towing the camper to Norwalk this year so that is another facility to scratch off the list)
 
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Beside the Sema show, the Fall race benefits from the State Holiday on Friday ...

Seems like they really need to drop the GA price and open up the two end sections of the Main Grandstand to GA ticket holders...

Even on Friday the entire main grandstand is reserve seating only...
 
I was there on both Sat and Sun. I took pics of the grandstands during the third session on Sat and during FC first round eliminations on Sun. I showed them to a buddy today who does crowd estimations, and he estimated about 6,000 on Sat and 5,200 on Sun. Granted most everyone is not in the stands but not counting participants and crews, these figures are about right. LVMS is a great facility, but I think the problem is in the ticket prices. Sat was $55/$66 for general/reserved and Sunday was $60/$70. I think the NHRA needs pull their head out of their oriface and address the ticket prices. These are hard economic times and disposible income is way down. I have been going to both Vegas races since the first and have never seen it like this. Little or no waiting at any vendor, hospitality areas 25-33% full. I know the spring race is a tough draw, but this race only drew the hard core fans and very few casual or first time fans. When a family of 4 has to drop $250 just to get in the door, they don't come. The upside is that the racers came out to the ropes more because there was not much of a crowd at their pit.
 
that's typically what happens, and sometimes it's someone who attended the race. it is a viable topic worthy of discussion.

IMO a lot of those empty seats are former paying fans who are very knowledgeable of the nhra and have become disenchanted with
the live product.

well then why do some track pack the stands?
 
well then why do some track pack the stands?

short answer: promotion and/or tradition.
disposable income is at premium but folks have it; they also have
more choices for their leisure time than they did a few years back so
obviously some of best attended nat. events have struck a chord
with the fans
- vegas II / sema
- denver / race starved area + unique facility + bandimeres
- gainesville / it's just the gators
- indy / it's just indy
- norwalk / ice cream + baders
- reading / rain + performance....that place gets the crowd every year
- texas races / always seem to pull good crowds
will be interesting to see what happens in new england in years to come.
 
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short answer: promotion and/or tradition.
disposable income is at premium but folks have it; they also have
more choices for their leisure time than they did a few years back and one of
them is their hdmi/hdtv wide screen home theater experience.

do not alienate your die-hard base trying to attract new fans.
losing 1000 die-hards in one year to pickup 2000 new fans IMO is a loser
over time.
die-hards never think twice about attending; new fans
may or may not return annually and what are the chances even 50% will?

fan experience: never stop trying to give more because all the other sports
are giving all they can.......i could see more large video screens at the tracks
to entertain/advertise/replay...think bruton is debuting a new one in 2 weeks.
could also see something as simple as shaded bleachers

do some tracks have free wifi while sitting in bleachers?

Great point, Mike... Talked to some folks that attended the IHRA race here in Tucson a couple of weeks ago. Some first timers, mostly the casual fan that makes it out for one or two big races a year. All of them said the same thing: they won't be coming back next year unless there is more racing, and a LOT less down-time, for their money (this was the third year in a row with an oildown that took an hour to clean up). These folks are not die-hards; they are new fans that have already decided not to continue spending it in our sport, based mostly on their confusion about all the delays.

The hard-core fans I spoke with will be back next year, but the hope is that the teams running get their chit together and stop with the catastrophic breakage that has caused delays year after year after year. Some of these hard-core are fans, but most are racers, and they are fed up with sitting in the lanes or the pits waiting for their call all night long.

Point is- the sport has got to always recruit new blood, but never at the expense of those that helped get the sport to where it is today. I'm sure some of the old guard won't mind a high-def screen with a well produced video for the down time to go along with the race day. Just as long as the pandering to the newbies doesn't get out of hand....
 
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