NHRA Tech says to DSR Top Fuelers "Take It Off"!

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What I don't understand is why DS took a shot at Force. He has no dog in this fight (IE: No Top Fueler), so why even bring his name up?

 

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What I don't understand is why DS took a shot at Force. He has no dog in this fight (IE: No Top Fueler), so why even bring his name up?

Most likely because he feels NHRA allows Force to 'get away' with things because of his standing in the racing community, such as the thrown race brouhaha at the '09 US Nats. Force could have retaliated by bringing up the affair that took place on the starting line at Pomona II, 2006.....but instead he did the smart thing and kept his mouth shut. How very un-Force like.

 

[Hank]

it sure is sad that after the big guy passed, those two idiots at the nazi hot rod association have just about ruined it.it's too bad we can't get someone in there that has a clue. i don't really care much for some of the people at dsr, i have alot respect for the don. he always let's his cars do his talking, and this year they haven't been to quiet. good luck don. whats wrong with innovation.

 

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it sure is sad that after the big guy passed, those two idiots at the nazi hot rod association have just about ruined it.it's too bad we can't get someone in there that has a clue. i don't really care much for some of the people at dsr, i have alot respect for the don. he always let's his cars do his talking, and this year they haven't been to quiet. good luck don. whats wrong with innovation.

The Nazi Hot Rod Association?

Whatever.

 

[ANDY]

The Nazi Hot Rod Association?

Whatever.

NHRA NOT HAVING RACES ANYMORE or NEVER HELP RACERS ACHIEVE

 

[DrRocket]

Nitromaters Have Real Angst???

 

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Nitromaters Have Real Angst???

I think that is the most correct one yet!

 

[shoe]

I mentioned John Force, A. J. and Kenny out of frustration and the treatment I FEEL they receive verses the treatment DSR receives from NHRA. I have always said we all need thick skin but this deal has been too much. I mean no disrespect to Force, A.J., or Kenny, they have done nothing wrong and just because I feel NHRA treats DSR different I spoke their names in frustration. I hope everyone understands FEELINGS.

 

[PJ]

Nitromaters Have Real Angst???

We have a post of the year nominee

 

[PJ]

We have talked about the shroud supposedly failing the safety intention but did it?

What was the safety issue it was supposed to help? I may be wrong, but wasn't it to stop a "normal" engine explosion from having fire/parts enter the cockpit? If so have any DSR fireballs this year had an issue?

From the accounts I have seen, this was not a "normal" (ok how normal can an 8000hp exploding fireball be) fire. There was a fuel line rupture that had fuel spraying onto or at least towards the cockpit.

If that is not the norm, then perhaps the shroud did work as intended but this was an abnormal occurrence which created these circumstances.

Personally the more the driver is covered the better I would think. But the bigger issue is flipping on them this late in the season. Take them off after the season if they want. They were approved, unless proven to be a hazzard then let them on. So far we have one kinda consultant saying that they COULD be.....not that strong of a stance to alter a teams season.

 

[NitroRichFire]

I mentioned John Force, A. J. and Kenny out of frustration and the treatment I FEEL they receive verses the treatment DSR receives from NHRA. I have always said we all need thick skin but this deal has been too much. I mean no disrespect to Force, A.J., or Kenny, they have done nothing wrong and just because I feel NHRA treats DSR different I spoke their names in frustration. I hope everyone understands FEELINGS.

Mr Schumacher, when you're the team to beat or say at the top of the mountain, I guess things like this are going to happen. It's not right, but please don't lose faith in the fans and please never let those trying to knock you down, win. Thanks for all you do and have done for our great sport of drag racing!

 

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We have talked about the shroud supposedly failing the safety intention but did it?

What was the safety issue it was supposed to help? I may be wrong, but wasn't it to stop a "normal" engine explosion from having fire/parts enter the cockpit? If so have any DSR fireballs this year had an issue?

From the accounts I have seen, this was not a "normal" (ok how normal can an 8000hp exploding fireball be) fire. There was a fuel line rupture that had fuel spraying onto or at least towards the cockpit.

If that is not the norm, then perhaps the shroud did work as intended but this was an abnormal occurrence which created these circumstances.

Personally the more the driver is covered the better I would think. But the bigger issue is flipping on them this late in the season. Take them off after the season if they want. They were approved, unless proven to be a hazzard then let them on. So far we have one kinda consultant saying that they COULD be.....not that strong of a stance to alter a teams season.

Just so that I understand what many of the people are posting here:

• After the Darrell Russell incident, the call was for NHRA NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING NOW!

• After the tire chunking incident, the call by many here was for NHRA NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING NOW!

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  After the Scott Kallita incident, the call by many here was for NHRA NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING NOW!

• After the broken wheels studs incident, the call by many here was for NHRA NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING NOW!

Now we have an independent engineer has stated that there could be a danger in the shroud and now the call by many here is, LET'S WAIT FOR 3 MORE RACES?

 

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Now we have an independent engineer has stated that there could be a danger in the shroud and now the call by many here is, LET'S WAIT FOR 3 MORE RACES?

You called it correctly, Paul...we need to wait.

The shrouds were brought to light by a yet unnamed (to my knowledge) source on the grounds that they created an unfair performance advantage. Whoops, said NHRA, we can't toss the shroud for that - we already approved it. So, let's look at it from the safety angle. Ahhhhh...the fires. We saw flames in Antron's cockpit that might not have been there otherwise. Of course they went right out and Antron wasn't hurt, but don't confuse the issue with any facts...

I have four brothers in law, all retired Dallas area firemen. Two of them are avid drag racing enthusiasts. I discussed this with them and to a man, it's their OPINION that given the very same fire, at the exact moment during the run, trapped air inside the shrouded area would have caused any fire to be LESS INTENSE. It stops the airflow. The very last thing you want to do when fighting a fire in an enclosed area is break a window or smash in the door, for this exact reason. The sudden flow with the resulting increase in O2 causes the fire to run wild.

Now, us keyboard investigators can't say for certain if this would have been the case with the Schumacher cars, but the shrouds were banned based on one engineer watching one video, right in the middle of the Championship chase. And that engineer could as easily have been wrong as right. NHRA has an entire winter ahead of them to study the effects of the DSR shrouds. So why aren't they doing it?

So let's be honest. The shrouds aren't going to make or break DSR's championship hopes. Del Worsham ran 3.73 without one. Tony has run 327 without one. But it's the principle of the thing....like Schumacher says, feelings. I don't blame him one bit for being angry.

 

[clwill]

Just so that I understand what many of the people are posting here:

• After the Darrell Russell incident, the call was for NHRA NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING NOW!

• After the tire chunking incident, the call by many here was for NHRA NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING NOW!

• 
  After the Scott Kallita incident, the call by many here was for NHRA NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING NOW!

• After the broken wheels studs incident, the call by many here was for NHRA NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING NOW!

Now we have an independent engineer has stated that there could be a danger in the shroud and now the call by many here is, LET'S WAIT FOR 3 MORE RACES?

Those events had something actually happen. People got hurt and killed.

This was some pinhead speculating that something could happen. 19 races in, nothing happened. In fact, the demand was not announced based on safety, it was based on the whining of a competitor that it might be some mystical performance advantage.

Waiting three more races, announcing the change now, then changing with the new year would be the fair and reasoned thing to do.

 

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Those events had something actually happen. People got hurt and killed.

This was some pinhead speculating that something could happen. 19 races in, nothing happened. In fact, the demand was not announced based on safety, it was based on the whining of a competitor that it might be some mystical performance advantage.

Waiting three more races, announcing the change now, then changing with the new year would be the fair and reasoned thing to do.

Oh ok, I get now; we can just wait to see if anybody gets hurt, then we can berate NHRA and then DEMAND NHRA TO DO SOMETHING NOW!

That "pinhead" was asked to analyze the shroud and that "pinhead" stated it could be dangerous. Btw, that "pinhead", according the Comp+ article, is a aerodynamic specialists, are you an aerodynamic specialists also so that you can discredit his "speculation"?

And again, if the shroud isn't an advantage, what is the big deal about removing it?

 

[clwill]

if the shroud isn't an advantage, what is the big deal about removing it?

Because removing it changes things. For no urgent reason. If they had said, at mid-season, maybe it wouldn't be such a big deal. But it's changing things in the middle of the playoffs, and with only three races left. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

 

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Because removing it changes things. For no urgent reason. If they had said, at mid-season, maybe it wouldn't be such a big deal. But it's changing things in the middle of the playoffs, and with only three races left. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

I understand that an independent aerodynamic specialists has stated that it could be dangerous but apparently you're not concerned about the safety issue.

Just curious, were you this way when any other safety requirements were made mandatory because after all, they also "changed things"?

I also do understand is that some on this site think certain teams are above the rules and should be able to do anything for the sake of "innovation" or "for the sport", I'm not one of them.

 

[clwill]

I understand that an independent aerodynamic specialists has stated that it could be dangerous but apparently you're not concerned about the safety issue.

Just curious, were you this way when any other safety requirements were made mandatory because after all, they also "changed things"?

I also do understand is that some on this site think certain teams are above the rules and should be able to do anything for the sake of "innovation" or "for the sport", I'm not one of them.

THIS WASN'T PRESENTED AS A SAFETY PROBLEM. It was a competitor who whined. Why do you keep pulling this whole safety pooh out? Who knows who this "expert" is, who paid for them, who's pocket they are in. Look in court, I can get you an "expert" for any position you want.

Changes in rules happen almost always over the winter. With time to adjust. Time to test. Time to pay for it.

At least there is someone who IS innovating. NHRA approves it. Then pull the rug out at the last minute.

And really, DSR is above the rules? Give me ONE example where DSR has gotten away with anything. One. Really, one. They get nailed on silly, trivial things, and get fined $100,000 for them.

 

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THIS WASN'T PRESENTED AS A SAFETY PROBLEM. It was a competitor who whined. Why do you keep pulling this whole safety pooh out? Who knows who this "expert" is, who paid for them, who's pocket they are in. Look in court, I can get you an "expert" for any position you want.

Changes in rules happen almost always over the winter. With time to adjust. Time to test. Time to pay for it.

At least there is someone who IS innovating. NHRA approves it. Then pull the rug out at the last minute.

And really, DSR is above the rules? Give me ONE example where DSR has gotten away with anything. One. Really, one. They get nailed on silly, trivial things, and get fined $100,000 for them.

All I'm going to say is, reading comprehension is not your strongest point.

 

[Fast Al]

Don S. "I hope everyone understands feelings" As most of us know, this sport is fueled by passion, and without it, what's the point! No sweat Don.