Counter Proposal? (1 Viewer)

[ironpony]

When Mopar and AJ presented this to NHRA , They felt that within 2 years the cars would be just as fast as they are now.

 

[megadeth]

So if I'm reading this right, we should charge more for tickets now at the events where you are getting to watch Pro Stock and Pro Mod?

Alan

Not at the races I attend! Pro Mod doesn’t race on the west coast and Sonoma is one of the tracks that Pro Stock is only a eight car field and no Pro Mods!
Now if the have a eight car Pro Mod field then I’m good but they won’t will they Alan?

 

[megadeth]

The Fat Lady is clearing her throat for Pro Stock! LOL

 

[MidnightbluS10]

Back when either ESPN or TNN televised drag racing, it was said that if a class of cars didn't run at least in the 7's it would never do well on TV, it's just too slow. This is why FSS and sportsman racing never gets the TV time we diehards would watch...

if you don't mind waiting, then this is for you

Dedication. That's what I like to see lol. Sucks that it took 65nseconds but it was actually kinda refreshing lol

 

[MidnightbluS10]

In my opinion, they didn't weight the pros and cons of making the switch. I would have presented the option of running EFI for a couple of years, with a hard start date of (at the time), lets say, Pomona1 2018.
Every keeps saying that the EFI rule killed the class...not true. PS entries had been on the decline and in 2013, they were barely getting full fields. So EFI may have been another nail, but it wasn't the immediate reason for the current state.

For the people saying EFI killed car counts..... How do you know? Did you go poll all current and previous Pro Stock teams from the past 5 years to see why they are or aren't racing? Then making that statement is just really a guess with no real facts from the source to back it up. Right?

 

[TSK]

Back to the original reason for this thread; it’s been a week. Has anybody heard what the counter-proposal was, and how it was received by NHRA?

 

[RM FAN]

For the people saying EFI killed car counts..... How do you know? Did you go poll all current and previous Pro Stock teams from the past 5 years to see why they are or aren't racing? Then making that statement is just really a guess with no real facts from the source to back it up. Right?

I totally agree with you. PS was going down hill already and so making a change to EFI though way too late made sense. As for the counter proposal, unless its about agreeing on a complete overhaul of PS in say 2 years, nothing the owners/drivers propose is going to keep fans in the seat at home or at the track. I also agree the class needs more than just Chevy's but also needs a lot more than Mopar and Fords.

 

[mick]

nhra should ask itself what it wants itself to be moving into the future. FC / TF / PS / PSB pro classes. it's been this way forever.
why does it have to stay this way? if not for HD, the PSB class is gone. HD does a great job with their pit displays; the nhra fan
is the perfect demographic for HD; they more than likely sell a few bikes every year from nhra fan interaction......so i get it.
PSB stays as long as the HD flows........what company needs PS?......not summit or jegs. they can hang their name on any nitro
car they want.......why not let PS go the way of ProMod.......a few wealthy owners than enjoy running a certain type of car.......
pool their money and run a few nhra events every year........in fact, why not 12 races PS, 12 races PM?.....PSB should be the same
way.......mello yello money should be for FC and TF.

 

[FABMAN]

nhra should ask itself what it wants itself to be moving into the future. FC / TF / PS / PSB pro classes. it's been this way forever.
why does it have to stay this way? if not for HD, the PSB class is gone. HD does a great job with their pit displays; the nhra fan
is the perfect demographic for HD; they more than likely sell a few bikes every year from nhra fan interaction......so i get it.
PSB stays as long as the HD flows........what company needs PS?......not summit or jegs. they can hang their name on any nitro
car they want.......why not let PS go the

Mike,
Vegas 2 Entry
PS 21
PM 28
Pomona
PS 17

I have a feeling car counts will start coming back next year, I know this is SEMA and west coast, lot of racers love PS and with economy starting to turn I think will help.

 

[Pete]

Unfortunately The Pro Stock class has run its course! It just a matter of time before it’s dissolved!
NHRA better put something in its place because if the ticket price doesn’t reflect the reduced show I will have a problem and might no longer attend.
Pro Mod should be the logical replacement class it’s exciting has a lot of different types and years of cars and a lot faster.

....and if pro stock dissolves and they add Pro Mod "technically" they are not adding a new class but replacing an existing one...just thinking out loud

 

[vegasnitro]

I don't know how many times it needs to be said, but Pro Mod is NOT going to do the full pull or supplement/replace Pro Stock. Pro Mod is still a "pay to play" class, as in they pay NHRA to be part of the show (thanks to Jim + Annie Whitely via J+A Services). The quickest way to kill participation in that class would be to extend them to 24 races. The racers don't want to do it logistically, and they don't want to pay NHRA for the privilege of doing it.

 

[megadeth]

....and if pro stock dissolves and they add Pro Mod "technically" they are not adding a new class but replacing an existing one...just thinking out loud

Absolutely but the class they would replace it with is faster and more diverse!
A lot of events that are stand alone have Pro Mod as the attraction. There are cars of every manufacture and year.
Personally I think Pro mod was put together for just that purpose. Back in the day they had the pro Stock mountain motor program and it was fun to watch they had the big three out there now it basically one Camaro after the other extremely boring!
Long gone are the day of manufacture Wars with Glidden, Dyno Don, Warren Johnson, Lee Shepard and so many others.
Now it just plain boring as hell and it once was my favorite class.

 

[megadeth]

What if they had a PS class and nobody went, say at Pomona?

Then it won’t be any different since people won’t flood the stands until the fuel cars light up.
And on race day they will exit after the fuel cars when Pro Boring starts.
It’s just the way it is and most of those Pro Stocks dont even resemble a Camaro Park it next to a Stock one its longer wider and the hood is way longer. I know it’s because of aero dynamics and all but it doesn’t resemble it!
Just like the Nostalgia Funny cars with the wedge bodies and nose over hangs I want to see them run like they use to look and I don’t care about faster speeds.
NHRA put their hands on the class and are ruining it in my opinion.

 

[megadeth]

I don't know how many times it needs to be said, but Pro Mod is NOT going to do the full pull or supplement/replace Pro Stock. Pro Mod is still a "pay to play" class, as in they pay NHRA to be part of the show (thanks to Jim + Annie Whitely via J+A Services). The quickest way to kill participation in that class would be to extend them to 24 races. The racers don't want to do it logistically, and they don't want to pay NHRA for the privilege of doing it.

I agree it would be in a sorts a promotion and would give the west coast pro Mods a chance to compete and no longer fork out to play.
Either way Pro Stock is dying a slow death they will replace them if and when that day comes. Trust me I don’t want to see Pro Stock die but it’s happening.
To most but not all the fuel cars are the show. They went from traditional 1320 to 1000 proving the big changes are a coming.
As much as I didn’t like it I understand it and the same will happen if one class dies it just what it is.

 

[TooTall999]

How about run Promod at all 24 events but limit the number of events each racer can claim points at? Say a racer can only claim points at 16 races?

 

[Billy]

Do you think it's partially to blame on the automotive industry itself? I look at cars on the street these days and I can't tell a Ford from a Chevy from a Toyota from a Dodge. They all look like pregnant roller skates shaped in the same mold. The cars themselves are actually lacking personality. Other than the cars that are used in Factory Showdown, I can't even tell what type of car it is anymore. I used to get excited to see a Ford Taurus Wagon or a Pontiac Grand Prix, or a Dodge Daytona. I remember walking to school when I was little, and depending on the day I would look for a certain kind of car. Mopar Mondays. Ford Fridays. Now, I can't tell the difference, and they all look terrible to me! Why would people be interested in cars anymore?

 

[ironpony]

Do you think it's partially to blame on the automotive industry itself? I look at cars on the street these days and I can't tell a Ford from a Chevy from a Toyota from a Dodge. They all look like pregnant roller skates shaped in the same mold. The cars themselves are actually lacking personality. Other than the cars that are used in Factory Showdown, I can't even tell what type of car it is anymore. I used to get excited to see a Ford Taurus Wagon or a Pontiac Grand Prix, or a Dodge Daytona. I remember walking to school when I was little, and depending on the day I would look for a certain kind of car. Mopar Mondays. Ford Fridays. Now, I can't tell the difference, and they all look terrible to me! Why would people be interested in cars anymore?

Very true, they are all blobs except for the 3 that would run in PS, Challenger, Camaro and Mustang. You can tell those apart.

 

[stitcherbob]

Want to make PS popular again?
New rule....any year body allowed as long as motor matches manufacturer

wait....whoops that's Pro Mod
guess it would work

 

[Nunz]

Want to make PS popular again?
New rule....any year body allowed as long as motor matches manufacturer

wait....whoops that's Pro Mod
guess it would work

How is that PM? There’s no rule in PM requiring the engine to match the body, unless I misunderstood you.

 

[RM FAN]

Very true, they are all blobs except for the 3 that would run in PS, Challenger, Camaro and Mustang. You can tell those apart.

And what makes you think only those 3 three would/should run PS? Again only Mopar/Challenger (no aero and would never be competitive, owned by Fiat). Chevy (all Camaros in PS now and no actual team sponsorship) Ford (no real interest in drag racing).
No mention of Subaru, Toyota or Honda just because they are.....imports? Mustang, Camaros and Challengers I'm still not seeing any fan interest unless they are only trying to appeal to the over 50 crowd.