Counter Proposal? (3 Viewers)

[RM FAN]

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I got a million of 'em!
....but I got a lot less memory left in my computer these days....

Trust me i have at least twice that amount and if you look close no grease on there hands. Not saying they didnt get dirty just not greasy and as i said before i got your point. RM kept everything spotless.

 

[MidnightbluS10]

Ever notice the only ones saying pro stock is over blah blah blah are the same one that constantly complain about it? Are the same one that want to go back to the 70s? Are the same one that think Factory Stock Showdown will all the sudden grow legs and be this great class the everybody watches just because they changed the name from FSS to Pro Stock?

The only people that class is dead to is the extremely small group of people that you all fit into. Old timers that are stuck in the past.

 

[mgty3whlr]

"Old timers that are stuck in the past."

Makes you wonder what type of music they listen to also?

 

[ironpony]

Ever notice the only ones saying pro stock is over blah blah blah are the same one that constantly complain about it? Are the same one that want to go back to the 70s? Are the same one that think Factory Stock Showdown will all the sudden grow legs and be this great class the everybody watches just because they changed the name from FSS to Pro Stock?

The only people that class is dead to is the extremely small group of people that you all fit into. Old timers that are stuck in the past.

Not true, we just want cars that look like....well cars. Leave them alone and add factory sheetmetal, that would make me happy.
When fans need decals to identify a car something is wrong.

 

[cantdrive55]

I'm a diehard Pro Stock fan, and love this category. But, I'm also a realist, and know that something needs to change. Cutting the fields to 8 car shows isn't going to fix anything, all that does is send a message to everyone that NHRA has lost faith in Pro Stock; which in turn will only hurt the category. I'm not a fan of the current formula, and I don't like how the bodies are massaged to fit a spec 106" wheelbase mandated by NHRA. I have no issue with using a tube chassis, fiberglass, abs plastic, and carbon fiber for the cars. However, there needs to be more Stock than Pro in the formula. To me, it's unfair for NHRA to focus on Pro Stock as their "problem child". Nitro fields are short as well, but Glendora doesn't say anything about that. Overall NHRA has suffered greatly, and it has nothing to do with Pro Stock. Fan attendance has been down, sponsors are few and far between, and manufacturer support has been very limited. Admittedly I don't know what the ultimate fix is; if there even is one. As for re-branding Factory Showdown to Pro Stock; I think it's a bad idea. Primarily because nobody currently sticks around, or rushes to the stands for Factory Showdown. Most leave their seats after nitro cars to go roam the pits, spend $10 for a hot dog, or stalk John Force Racing.

 

[Sean D, shondoo]

They need to listen to the racers and car owners , they know what needs to be done.

That is the absolute LAST thing they need to do. It's the bazillionaire racers/car owners, along with a sanctioning body that has let them run rampant that has gotten the class where it is today. Have you listened and/or read the racers interviews in this subject? All of them, and I mean ALL of them are self-serving in their responses and virtually NEVER address the ones that pay the bills. It's not hard to figure out why they're where they're at.

Ever notice the only ones saying pro stock is over blah blah blah are the same one that constantly complain about it? Are the same one that want to go back to the 70s? Are the same one that think Factory Stock Showdown will all the sudden grow legs and be this great class the everybody watches just because they changed the name from FSS to Pro Stock?

The only people that class is dead to is the extremely small group of people that you all fit into. Old timers that are stuck in the past.

I have contended since day-one that it's a lot less to do with fan interest and a lot more to do with participation. But if you think for one second that getting the class back to a point where the manufacturers get involved and the subsequent return of true factory wars their heavy involvement would bring, then you fit into one of two categories:

1. You weren't around during these times we "old timers" speak of.

2. If you were, then your head was in the sand the whole time.

The factory wars were a real thing back then and it was certainly a factor in keeping more people in the seats because it mattered to us. As for your comment about our small group of people being the only ones that think the class is dead, you had better have a closer look. The fields are regularly short, and if it weren't for the wealthy few that are funding multiple cars, the class would struggle to fill an 8-car field. The sanctioning body sure as hell isn't making changes and giving it constant attention because it's healthy.

FSS doesn't have significantly more fans in the stands, but I still contend a lot of that has to do with promotion. If the class is brought to the forefront as the new Pro Stock, the factories jump in with both feet and the promotion is done correctly, I believe it will make a positive comeback, which is simply something that can't be done with the current platform. Promote the current class all you want, but the fact remains that the fields are short, all the cars look the same, and it takes a metric f**k-ton of money to participate. Is it completely dead yet? No, but it's certainly in a ventilator and the NHRA has their hand on the plug.

Sean D

 

[TSK]

Whenever some pup comments on someone's age, my response to them is, "Keep on living."
Complaining about the current state of pro stock is not a matter of being stuck in the past. Nobody expects the class to revert back to '70 Hemi Cudas, '69 ZL1 Camaros or '69 Mach 1 Mustangs.
The problem is that the current cars are so far removed from the factory offerings that there is nothing "stock" about them. They look nothing like anything the factories offer. How can someone new to the sport relate to the aerodynamic blobs they have become?
Another issue is the lack of factory involvement. "Old timers" remember well the days of "win on Sunday, sell on Monday." Except for Mopar's recently introduced Demon Challenger, when was the last time a factory offered a car explicitly for drag racing, with a warranty, no less? Factory involvement is critical. The factories have the means to design, develop and test new engine programs. Few independent engine builders can do the same.
Pro Stock in its beginning WAS a very exciting class. There was a huge variety of makes and models racing that actually looked like what was found in the drag strip parking lots.
Today's carbon fiber replicas, and the questionable reasoning behind rev limiters, plus the outrageous technology, have turned the class into a playground for rich GM racers.
Give me the old days, they were definitely more exciting. The pups today, with their lighted cup holders, truly have no idea how good things really were.
As evidenced by the mass exodus of the fans from the stands after the fuel cars run, and just before PS comes to the line, there is little interest remaining in the class.
And "old timers" had nothing to do with the class' fall in popularity.

 

[FABMAN]

I reading everybodies post and respect all what you say. Sean, every pro class in NHRA Drag Racing is owned by bazilllionair owners. The biggest problem is pay outs in all catagories.. It would be great to see stock appearing bodies in PS i have supported that foreever, same with FC. I'm one of the old racers that raced in the 70s and 80s and still love PS. NHRA needs to listen rather than worrie about what goes in their pocket. There is more to drag racing than FC and TF and i think fans know that.

 

[stitcherbob]

Back when either ESPN or TNN televised drag racing, it was said that if a class of cars didn't run at least in the 7's it would never do well on TV, it's just too slow. This is why FSS and sportsman racing never gets the TV time we diehards would watch...

if you don't mind waiting, then this is for you

 

[TooTall999]

How well has that worked for IHRA?

IHRA did that...how'd it work out for them?

I never said it was a good thing!

 

[Pete]

Hey Pete, not to change the subject, but I think Super Street is the only true door car .90 class out there. S/C is all dragsters & S/G is all roadsters (with a few exceptions for both classes). You see real cars in S/ST. Really love watching that class run. Just my 2 cents.

Thanks Cliff! There are left hand steer roadsters allowed, as long as they make weight...but I've only seen 1 run the class.

 

[Pete]

I reading everybodies post and respect all what you say. Sean, every pro class in NHRA Drag Racing is owned by bazilllionair owners. The biggest problem is pay outs in all catagories.. It would be great to see stock appearing bodies in PS i have supported that foreever, same with FC. I'm one of the old racers that raced in the 70s and 80s and still love PS. NHRA needs to listen rather than worrie about what goes in their pocket. There is more to drag racing than FC and TF and i think fans know that.

The formula for success is simple in my mind and NHRA let the classes go beyond control for so long, that the only way to fix it will push more people out.

Just remember, NHRA is killing NHRA! Racers will always push the boundaries of the rules...and who makes those rules? nuff said

Take a good look at the Heritage Series...pretty solid set of limitations on the fuel cars and it keeps the fields level and reasonable (in nitro racing terms ). Funny how NHRA had the insight to keep that series under lockdown...so they know how to do it right, they are just so far over center with the "Big Show"

 

[SoCal Racer]

The formula for success is simple in my mind and NHRA let the classes go beyond control for so long, that the only way to fix it will push more people out.

Just remember, NHRA is killing NHRA! Racers will always push the boundaries of the rules...and who makes those rules? nuff said

Take a good look at the Heritage Series...pretty solid set of limitations on the fuel cars and it keeps the fields level and reasonable (in nitro racing terms ). Funny how NHRA had the insight to keep that series under lockdown...so they know how to do it right, they are just so far over center with the "Big Show"

I'm sure I'm not the only one who wonders what in the he!! the NHRA brass is thinking sometimes. And regarding "who makes those rules?" Well, NHRA has let the racers make the rules, and that's how we've ended up in this mess.

And for the record, I may be an old guy but I neither want to see the class die nor the cars go back to the 1970s. But I do want closer to stock-shaped bodies and the excitement it had when it was truly a battle between the manufacturers. On any given weekend you didn’t know who was going to win, and it was likely a different brand and different team than the week before. Plus rein in the costs so more teams can compete. It was not uncommon to see 30-plus cars trying to qualify for the bigger races like Indy. That’s a lot of excitement and a lot of value for the fans.

 

[camaro]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who wonders what in the he!! the NHRA brass is thinking sometimes. And regarding "who makes those rules?" Well, NHRA has let the racers make the rules, and that's how we've ended up in this mess.
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the letter to the pro stock racers, regarding the switch to fuel injection, ended with "not open for discussion". that doesn't sound like someone who solicits various opinions.

 

[RM FAN]

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the letter to the pro stock racers, regarding the switch to fuel injection, ended with "not open for discussion". that doesn't sound like someone who solicits various opinions.

Actually NHRA did ask the racers and didnt get an answer so they made a decision that should have been done over 20 years ago.

 

[Pete]

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Actually NHRA did ask the racers and didnt get an answer so they made a decision that should have been done over 20 years ago.

In my opinion, they didn't weight the pros and cons of making the switch. I would have presented the option of running EFI for a couple of years, with a hard start date of (at the time), lets say, Pomona1 2018.
Every keeps saying that the EFI rule killed the class...not true. PS entries had been on the decline and in 2013, they were barely getting full fields. So EFI may have been another nail, but it wasn't the immediate reason for the current state.

 

[*******]

Yeah, I can see 10 mountain motor teams agreeing to give up their top billing status and front row parking at their venues to come race NHRA and park in the mud and dirt so John Force can have 10 parking spots for all his rigs.

 

[megadeth]

Unfortunately The Pro Stock class has run its course! It just a matter of time before it’s dissolved!
NHRA better put something in its place because if the ticket price doesn’t reflect the reduced show I will have a problem and might no longer attend.
Pro Mod should be the logical replacement class it’s exciting has a lot of different types and years of cars and a lot faster.

 

[none]

Unfortunately The Pro Stock class has run its course! It just a matter of time before it’s dissolved!
NHRA better put something in its place because if the ticket price doesn’t reflect the reduced show I will have a problem and might no longer attend.
Pro Mod should be the logical replacement class it’s exciting has a lot of different types and years of cars and a lot faster.

So if I'm reading this right, we should charge more for tickets now at the events where you are getting to watch Pro Stock and Pro Mod?

Alan

 

[Jack]

How fast would a hybrid 100% stock appearing camaro, mustang or challenger be with a tube chassis and light weight components runnig at 2500 lb lbs with factory style motors? The new demon makes 840 hp while passing emissions and getting government stamp of approval . Whats the potential of ghis engine in full race tune built but todays engine builders? 1000hp 1100 hp or more? C ould be very entertaining to watch and the factories might show some interest. Just wondering