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[Draw 3D]

Welcome to the Mater Paul,
I believe you will enjoy being a part of such a diverse conglomeration of great people with great ideas. I appreciate your comments as well but for the record, I'm not aware of any CIFCA cars who certify 7.50 or slower since it is not at all uncommon for them to run right on the number and never want to be DQed or escorted off track for breaking out with an improperly certified chassis.

Thanks for the welcome Doc.

At the last CIFCA race I went to, I had a long talk with one CIFCA car owners who's chassis was cert'd to 7.50, and was running consistent 7.60's. He said the cost to upgrade was a little steep for him, but would eventually do it.

 

["Dr. Dirt"]

Thanks for the welcome Doc.

At the last CIFCA race I went to, I had a long talk with one CIFCA car owners who's chassis was cert'd to 7.50, and was running consistent 7.60's. He said the cost to upgrade was a little steep for him, but would eventually do it.

That's news to me. I certainly wouldn't want to be at the edge of certification especially since many of these chassis run in CIFCA or other nostalgia leagues are quite well seasoned, shall we say? Our first car was Bernstein's old Chelsea King chassis with Roland Leong's '78 Monza Hawaiin mounted on it. When we swapped into our first Canode chassis the boys thought they died and went to heaven since steering was almost non-essential.

 

[TJ]

Bobby...I stand corrected as I did mis-read/judge into your post....

 

[Nunz]

Well I've spoken to Buzzz on the phone, and my dad met all the Wannabes at a track in Phoenix, and we both feel they are great guys. Also, you gotta be REAL tall to talk down to these guys in person!! (Just having fun, I know Doc didn't mean it that way) Hopefully everyone in this discussion can get along , I really find it all pretty interesting.

 

[Keith Burgan]

For those who are worried the new SFI 10- spec may be done by the time everyone heads to Orlando for the PRI Show but more likely will be released before Jan 1 2008. It will only apply to "big show" fuel funny cars so everything else will still certify as is. The spec may include some standards re traceability of materials used in the chassis construction. Get back to building Buzz.

Roo

 

[Buzzz Miller]

Although I do know of your credentials, and don't doubt that you have been in the very meetings of the SFI foundation, and are certain of the changes, I will still wait.
First, I just want to see it with my own two eyes, and have time to CAD and view other changes I may make.
Next, I always cert my car to top fuel the first time. I have mandated that my car go through an extensive test under the best scrutiny the NHRA has to offer before I run it. Then a lesser cert if need be down the road. Always have, and not sure why I would change now.
But the jig is pretty dirty. I should give it a good cleaning. Plus I don't have a booked race until May. I have time.
Buzzz out-

 

[ex-nsp]

To avoid Mr Burgan, ocaisionally my self and others to have to repeatedly conduct CHASSIS 101, evrybody building or owning a dragrace car that needs SFI certifying should step up and buy their spec, $35.00 from SFI.

There're probably no more than FIVE builders on the planet that are going to need the NEW, not yet formatted spec for AA/FC

All the rest of you fit under all the existing specs which show in COLOR, what are UPRIGHTS, diagonals, X members, K members, etc. and the proper sizes.

 

[turbo ken]

I hope that they make up their minds soon on this, I'm helping a friend of mine build a nitro F/C to run IHRA and NHRA national events, he is funding this out of his own pockets, and I helped him update (backhalf) his chassis to the current sfi specs if they change we need the time to change whatever needs changing becausing we're doing the whole thing by ourselfs. He has as to work to make the money to build and run the car, and I have been volunteering my time to help. I'd wish that they would makeup their minds on this quick because this is going to set us back some having to redo the "new" backhalf we just did a few months ago again.

 

[TR]

To avoid Mr Burgan, ocaisionally my self and others to have to repeatedly conduct CHASSIS 101, evrybody building or owning a dragrace car that needs SFI certifying should step up and buy their spec, $35.00 from SFI.

There're probably no more than FIVE builders on the planet that are going to need the NEW, not yet formatted spec for AA/FC

All the rest of you fit under all the existing specs which show in COLOR, what are UPRIGHTS, diagonals, X members, K members, etc. and the proper sizes.

Norm,
You build some killer cars and your craftsmanship is just really neat. Any input you have on this subject will always have my attention.

 

[mike]

So tonight, we had a TA RD here in Perth Australia, one of the TAFC chassis broke in two places, I didn't get a photo (I'll try tomorrow) So I used this pic I took earlier this year, and drew some lines to point out where the chassis broke....

Keep in mind it's not this car. I have only used this to point out where the chassis broke on the TAFC tonight. Wether it had started to crack on a previous run, I don't know. I am going to say on it's second run, there was a lot of tyre shake, but could this be enough to break the chassis at the points, pointed out in the pic above?? From memory this car is only two to three years old. It's a good thing it was spotted before they even attempted to make another pass, because it could have turned out really bad. Especially where the breaks were.

Like I said I'll try get pics tomorrow.

Mike

 

[unclebob]

Mike-Mike-Mike;
Overzealous reporting here. First of all the car is over ten years old (ex John Hyland).
It is a center upright car and your drawing of where it broke is not even close, as the top rail and diagonal were not broke. Only the bottom rail on one side, close to the motor upright. They may or may not fix it for tonight.

Bob (I own a phone)

 

[mike]

Mike-Mike-Mike;
Overzealous reporting here. First of all the car is over ten years old (ex John Hyland).
It is a center upright car and your drawing of where it broke is not even close, as the top rail and diagonal were not broke. Only the bottom rail on one side, close to the motor upright. They may or may not fix it for tonight.

Bob (I own a phone)

Sorry Bob,

My bad, My arrows are not meant to be pointing at the top though, more the area where it was broke. but thank you for clearing that up. I put both sides because Damien pointed out two sides at the time. Also I thought it was the second FC that originally came out of the O'Rourke camp, clearly my memory is a little bad there

Thanks again for clearing it up.

 

[ex-nsp]

Thanks for the kind words, Rick, Kevin and others- while laudits are being put out let's not forget the above-posting Bob Meyer who's built cars that are winners on probably FOUR continents. Bob was THE quality TAD builder not too far back. (And another CHASSIS 101 teacher on this site.)

Was the F/C frame breakage lower right at the motor plate- I' guessing it was- seen it before.

 

[Randy]

Norm:

Are you saying Bob is incontenant?

Just kidding, of course.

Norm and Bob are two of the greats. After Evan Rodrick wadded up the altered I sold to the guys in El Paso almost 20 years ago he advised me not buy it back, even though Evan only wanted $500.00 for it. Ray Charles could have seen that one coming.

RG.

 

[TR]

Norm:

Are you saying Bob is incontenant?

Just kidding, of course.

Norm and Bob are two of the greats. After Evan Rodrick wadded up the altered I sold to the guys in El Paso almost 20 years ago he advised me not buy it back, even though Evan only wanted $500.00 for it. Ray Charles could have seen that one coming.

RG.

Randy,
I was there when Evan hit the wall in El Paso. He just stayed in it too long, which is usually the case. Your old car was hurt but not that bad. He bought a new altered from Norm Porter, and it was nice, but I don't think he ever raced it. Thanks for the flashback.

Rick

 

[unclebob]

Norm:

Are you saying Bob is incontenant?


RG.

Randy; not quite, but the term "invalidated" is what SFI calls me.

I still take this "safety stuff" very seriously and therefore follow it worldwide. But, remember we all learn from the truth and no offence to Mike here, but accuracy is important to me so we CAN learn! Something that I feel is not happening with current "closed session" rule meetings.

Bob