Ashley Sunday

[willy]

Nope, it's only because it's Ashley. If it was any other driver it wouldn't even be discussed!!!!

Yea..it's been discussed alot. TJ used to be here in the old days..lost on a holeshot and sh!t hit the fan. No longer here. Whit got ripped repeatedly. They all get ripped here, Lynn..and there isn't anything wrong with sticking up for your 'driver'..it's just when it gets anal..(huh huh) that people will call you on it.

At least you're a role model for your friends teenage daughter, eh?

 

[force fan]

Yea..it's been discussed alot. TJ used to be here in the old days..lost on a holeshot and sh!t hit the fan. No longer here. Whit got ripped repeatedly. They all get ripped here, Lynn..and there isn't anything wrong with sticking up for your 'driver'..it's just when it gets anal..(huh huh) that people will call you on it.

At least you're a role model for your friends teenage daughter, eh?

Look, I think it's time to let this **** go!!!!! I apoligized and you still have to go there. And your judging me on what? A few smart ass remarks on here!!!! Believe me, there have been others who have said alot worse and never took this much heat!!

 

[PJ]

Nope, it's only because it's Ashley. If it was any other driver it wouldn't even be discussed!!!!

actually no. In the Past Hillary, WJ and many others have had their RT's discussed here

 

[clwill]

IMHO, this spat has gone beyond the useful point, perhaps you all should agree to disagree and/or simply ignore any further posts on the subject...

 

[force fan]

IMHO, this spat has gone beyond the useful point, perhaps you all should agree to disagree and/or simply ignore any further posts on the subject...

Hey I agree................... I tried that earlier but it didn't work. Some people are just impossible!!!!!

 

[Tim5636sc]

Nope, it's only because it's Ashley. If it was any other driver it wouldn't even be discussed!!!!

BRAVO SIERRA!

I am going to take ya back quite a few years to the old prodigy drag racers forum...(BIG MAC CAN CONFIRM THIS) the very first discussion i saw was about how 'late' some drivers always were...in the opinion of some fans. Its been talked about since the beginning of internet forums, from compuserve to AOL'S DRF and now the mater. Melanie Troxy, Hillary Will, Kristen Powell, Whit Baze, Warren Johnson, Ron Krisher, Angelle, a young up and coming driver Larry Dixon and several others have fallen prey to the 'TROLL-O-DE-INTERNET'. Its one of Several reasons these boards are void of intelligent discussion. (SEE THE PRO STOCK ENGINE DISCUSSION HERE TO REFERENCE A GREAT DISCUSSION AND THE WAY IT USED TO BE)

I am not going to throw around my mater cred, but as Mr. Williams and Mac said, there are MANY factors which decide how reaction time works. From the set up of the car (which there are about 20 different adjustments of a fuel car which can effect RT), to driver staging, to angle of the light on the tree, to what you eat or drink, to the crown in the racing surface, and on and on and you get the point.
The best drivers, in my opinion are the ones who can cut down as many of those variables as possible. Consistantly stage the same way EVERY TIME.
The point is many fans, other drivers, crew members and key board crew chiefs tend to interject their opinion who quite honestly if put in the seat of a car could not do any better. But they never will so they will live their fantasy online.
Its NOT PERSONAL TO ASH OR ANY JFR drivers. Its been standard fare on these boards for years...AND UNFORTUNATLY WILL CONTINUE FOR YEARS TO COME.

 

[force fan]

BRAVO SIERRA!

I am going to take ya back quite a few years to the old prodigy drag racers forum...(BIG MAC CAN CONFIRM THIS) the very first discussion i saw was about how 'late' some drivers always were...in the opinion of some fans. Its been talked about since the beginning of internet forums, from compuserve to AOL'S DRF and now the mater. Melanie Troxy, Hillary Will, Kristen Powell, Whit Baze, Warren Johnson, Ron Krisher, Angelle, a young up and coming driver Larry Dixon and several others have fallen prey to the 'TROLL-O-DE-INTERNET'. Its one of Several reasons these boards are void of intelligent discussion. (SEE THE PRO STOCK ENGINE DISCUSSION HERE TO REFERENCE A GREAT DISCUSSION AND THE WAY IT USED TO BE)

I am not going to throw around my mater cred, but as Mr. Williams and Mac said, there are MANY factors which decide how reaction time works. From the set up of the car (which there are about 20 different adjustments of a fuel car which can effect RT), to driver staging, to angle of the light on the tree, to what you eat or drink, to the crown in the racing surface, and on and on and you get the point.
The best drivers, in my opinion are the ones who can cut down as many of those variables as possible. Consistantly stage the same way EVERY TIME.
The point is many fans, other drivers, crew members and key board crew chiefs tend to interject their opinion who quite honestly if put in the seat of a car could not do any better. But they never will so they will live their fantasy online.
Its NOT PERSONAL TO ASH OR ANY JFR drivers. Its been standard fare on these boards for years...AND UNFORTUNATLY WILL CONTINUE FOR YEARS TO COME.

Thanks, Tim!!! Now that is a sensible post with no bashing or personal attacks. Now if we can ALL just learn from this....................

 

[clwill]

there are MANY factors which decide how reaction time works. From the set up of the car (which there are about 20 different adjustments of a fuel car which can effect RT), to driver staging, to angle of the light on the tree, to what you eat or drink, to the crown in the racing surface, and on and on and you get the point.

Exactly. Just Monday, Jack Beckman and I were discussing the red-light problem we were having with our S/C car. Our issue was caused by the car hiking the front tires out of the beam (which we can fix) but it lead to a fascinating discussion about how he adjusts the delay box based upon time of day, angle of the sun, which round it is, and so on. All of it with the goal of being more consistent. This is a fascinating sport.

 

[force fan]

Exactly. Just Monday, Jack Beckman and I were discussing the red-light problem we were having with our S/C car. Our issue was caused by the car hiking the front tires out of the beam (which we can fix) but it lead to a fascinating discussion about how he adjusts the delay box based upon time of day, angle of the sun, which round it is, and so on. All of it with the goal of being more consistent. This is a fascinating sport.

And i'm sure he is a fascinating man!!!!!!

 

[Tim5636sc]

And i'm sure he is a fascinating man!!!!!!

yeah he is ok. BUT he has no 'MATER CRED'...AND NEVER WILL.

 

[Tim5636sc]

See. He listens to Timmah! ha ha ha Actually he knows that car better than the average bear.

Exactly. Just Monday, Jack Beckman and I were discussing the red-light problem we were having with our S/C car. Our issue was caused by the car hiking the front tires out of the beam (which we can fix) but it lead to a fascinating discussion about how he adjusts the delay box based upon time of day, angle of the sun, which round it is, and so on. All of it with the goal of being more consistent. This is a fascinating sport.

 

[Jenn]

Exactly. Just Monday, Jack Beckman and I were discussing the red-light problem we were having with our S/C car. Our issue was caused by the car hiking the front tires out of the beam (which we can fix) but it lead to a fascinating discussion about how he adjusts the delay box based upon time of day, angle of the sun, which round it is, and so on. All of it with the goal of being more consistent. This is a fascinating sport.

Was it a launch RPM issue? We had that on one of the diggers, but wound up moving the battery box as well for extra weight up front.

 

[twok4hd]

Exactly. Just Monday, Jack Beckman and I were discussing the red-light problem we were having with our S/C car. Our issue was caused by the car hiking the front tires out of the beam (which we can fix) but it lead to a fascinating discussion about how he adjusts the delay box based upon time of day, angle of the sun, which round it is, and so on. All of it with the goal of being more consistent. This is a fascinating sport.

Believe me when I say this, a S/C dragster has to leave everytime with it's front wheels planted on the ground everytime to get the reaction times consistent. Especially on a hard tail. If not you will be chasing your reaction times in that little black box all day. I ended up with a 80# in the nose before I solved my problem.

 

[clwill]

I'll answer both Jenn and Glenn: I was thinking of adding weight (maybe an extra battery or more lead up front), until Jack pointed out that we have a wonderfully light car (~1800) with a light driver, why would we do that? Why make a car heavier when you can fix it other ways?

So we've discussed a number of options including launch RPM (we leave quite high now) and tire inflation. With a hardtail, tire inflation is a very double-edged sword, with down-track bouncing (and its traction issues) a problem we've fought for some time, and as a result we run quite soft. So I'm not likely to rush to higher pressures for a fix.

We're going to do some low-angle video of the launch at the next test-and-tune, and cut the RPMs to get the tiny wisp of daylight under the right front that I'm looking for.

Chris

 

[twok4hd]

I ask you this. What difference does it make what the car weighs as long as it runs the number? So what if you make it heavier?

 

[clwill]

I ask you this. What difference does it make what the car weighs as long as it runs the number? So what if you make it heavier?

With a hardtail, it makes a lot of difference. It will bounce more on a bumpy track potentially losing traction, it will stress the welds on bouncy return roads, it makes it just that much slower/harder to stop at the end of the track, and so on. And a lighter car will run a faster MPH, making for better "finish line gamesmanship".

Let me ask you this: all things else being equal, if you had a choice between a heavier car and a lighter car, which would you choose?

 

[twok4hd]

Wouldn't make any difference, as long as it did what I wanted it to do. I obviously didn't have a problem adding 80# to the nose to fix my problem. As far as mile an hour went, I was running about the same once I made the adjustment to the throttle stop to compensate for the weight being added.

Main thing is, you gotta stop it from popping out of the lights.

 

[Jenn]

Let me ask you this: all things else being equal, if you had a choice between a heavier car and a lighter car, which would you choose?

Personally, since I PUSH the car, more than driving them....lighter . But I was under the impression that you had a soft tail as well.

We have two softies and one hard tail and the hard tail is the lighter of the three anyway. Also smaller engine combo...

 

[clwill]

Main thing is, you gotta stop it from popping out of the lights.

Clearly. But we have no good place/way to add weight, and (as I noted) if I can fix it in other ways, I will. Especially since those ways I can tweak (like launch RPM or tire pressure) for different tracks and conditions quite easily. Adding/moving/removing weight is a crap shoot, hard to measure (do it, take it to the scales, undo it, take it to the scales), and is more "brute force". Changing the launch RPM chip takes maybe 30 seconds, is fine-tuned and changeable in small increments, measurable with the Racepak data, and so on. That's the approach I'm taking.

Chris

 

[clwill]

Personally, since I PUSH the car, more than driving them....lighter . But I was under the impression that you had a soft tail as well.

We have two softies and one hard tail and the hard tail is the lighter of the three anyway. Also smaller engine combo...

Right, if we had a suspended car, this discussion would be largely moot: 1) it wouldn't hop out of the lights as easily, and 2) adding a few pounds weight would be a slam dunk -- it would be such a small percentage increase.