ARE things better "Over There???"

[The Mighty]

Sam...The healthcare system in those mentioned countries are great for basic maintenance/colds/etc...But for major situations most Canadians/Europeans come to the U.S. for their procedures...

And where did this information come from? Top of the head? or a bit lower and round to the rear?

The only people you'll find going anywhere else from Britain are those idiots going to either sell kidneys for profit in india or coming to the US for cosmetic surgery purely for vanity's sake. I suppose you may get the odd one come to the US for surgery if they want to be treated like an emperor in a swish hotel rather than give a damn about the actual healthcare.

My dad hasn't been a well man for years and has had a number of major operations to combat major threats on his life. None of these have been carried out more than 10 miles from his home and at least one of them was a procedure pioneered within our local primary healthcare trust which is now used worldwide. Fly him 10 hours to the US for a major procedure becuase we don't know how or have the resources? I'm sorry but that is just utter bollocks.

 

[Jenn]

In Nevada they have to treat you at a hospital as well, BUT if you do not have insurance they are still going to send you bills and when you don't pay them, they are going to destroy your credit.

I was under the impression that here in New Mexico, hospital related bills could not affect your credit. However, the hospital had the right to sell your debt to a debt collection agency which could impact your credit.

 

[Mike]

Republicans who want to feed into the hands of the devils known as the HMOs. For one thing, in your country and in Canada you'll never hear of a patient getting denied a life-saving treatment because "it's too experimental" or "effects the bottom line too much."

Bull Shyt! Its a goverment run program and they dont work. And I'll tell my uncle who had to come to the US for cancer treatment that the health care program i canada great according to Sam...

 

[Don]

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And believe me I don't need a sense of humour transplant, but I am sick and tired of the racial stereotyping on this board. Just because a few people decide they don't like what Hutchinson has to say (most of the time I don't either, but John has his problems and we really just should leave him to it) does not mean that I or the other UK members should have to put up with what is simply racist slurs

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Chris,

I can agree with you mostly with what you said, however. I must point out that this is not racial, racial slurs or racial profiling in any shape or form.

Racism is the opinion or feelings of one race, that their race is superior over another race, or all other races.

You right, we shouldn’t be stereotyping every citizen of your country based on one person or thing.

Thanks for your info on the health care issue, but being able to get emergency surgery within a couple days….doesn’t seem like the sort of health care I would like to have to live with.

 

[Murph]

Sam...The healthcare system in those mentioned countries are great for basic maintenance/colds/etc...But for major situations most Canadians/Europeans come to the U.S. for their procedures..

I don't think so Terry.

 

[Mike]

But what if a person needed a radical new treatment that has rarely been done before to save his/her life and cost $100,000? I am willing to bet my car on it that 9 out of 10 HMOs would deny covering it with the excuse of "it's too experimental" or "it's too costly" or "it's too rare."




You can thank the Federal Goverment and the American Medical Ass for that.

 

[Nitrohaulic]

Joe...The national debt was almost zero towards the end of Bush Sr term and Clinton had a zero balance w/in three years after he took office...Clinton gave Bush jr a credit w/ zero balance...
It is unfortunate but a republican president has NEVER had a balanced budget in all of history....Kind of strange as they preach about the other party giving money away to freeloaders...
Currently I feel neither party is doing anything positive for the American people today...

As has already been said, I don't think (or I know) so on the national debt.

Bill Clinton left office with a government surplus and a private sector recession. Now we have a government recession and a private sector surplus. Just which side of the equation do you think is more important?

It's not that I don't care about a national debt or the goverment operating in a deficit but, I don't care THAT much. They have been mismanaging our money for a LONG time without my consent. I personally avoid financing and, other than maybe selling bonds to finance a war if needed, don't think the the government should, either.

We're in a position in which we're held responsible for what others do, a lot like the situation with the social security "trust" fund. The difference between what comes in and goes out today goes into this "fund" but, there's not a dime in it because BOTH parties have been robbing it for years and putting "IOUs" in, instead. The worst part is that Congress doesn't owe the money. We the people owe we the people. If I did it in the private sector with retirement money I kept out of your pay, they'd put me so far under the &*#@!!! prison! They're embezzling...ahem..."borrowing"....money on a daily basis that they know can never be realisitically paid back. Talk about out of control fiscal irresponsibility. No President will change it because it will make "their" economy look worse. Both parties are thieves.

The Republicans barely nicked taxes (along with sending out all those rebate checks that they were criticized for). The economy is the one thing they really did well and they didn't even know to run on it the last two election cycles. I don't remember one Repub standing up and saying "Look what our tax cuts did. Let's keep doing it until it doesn't work."

As I've been saying the last few years, your choices are now between the liberal party and the more liberal party. I think the Dems have moved so far to the left that Republicans think they can stand where the Dems once were and say "Hey, look. Compared to them, WE'RE the conservatives." 1960s Democrats were more conservative than today's Republicans.

I have a campaign ad from the 70s by a Democrat running for Senate that bears the slogan "Join the tax revolt!" Think you'll ever see THAT again?