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"Now, look where that ego, fingerpointing selfish mindset has brought him.."



George,
I truly believe that if he indeed has or had a brain injury your last sentence does not apply. Like Randy Goodwin said. Evan wasn't the same after his car crash. I'm not sticking up for, nor defending, anyone as I don't know the entire story. I do have extensive personal knowledge of the short and long-term effects of brain injury and I know what can happen. Even in non-life threatening situations. It can be very ugly.
 
You know, he really did benefit a lot of racers and it was a great couple of years for a lot of them, and I was right on that BUT ultimately at who's expense?

I was thinking that Mr. Knoll was no worse than one of these guys that just won the lottery and was hellbent on spending every dime on his friends. But then I think of what happened to some of these guys that bought a bunch of equipment on disingenuous promises, RUMORS, finger pointing at Preston when they are both to blame, claims of flying around in a jet and not having the foggiest idea of who's plane it was since he didn't sign for it, hanging contractors out to dry, and then I'm reminded by My. Knoll's dishonest rant here and I guess that maybe Mr. Knoll turned out to be just about as dishonest as they get.

So stupid me for giving him the benefit of doubt. I guess that wasn't well thought out and stupid on my part to think it all just got away from his big heart. If you got money from Torco you better claim it on your taxes!
 
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It has been stated that EVERYONE makes mistakes (as Evan's defense). Um, when I make a mistake.....dreams are not crushed. Well, at least not the dreams of SO MANY!
 
Just in case anyone was interested in seeing the "mystery plane"....here it is for sale for 15.2 million bucks.

This is THE actual plane. A 2002 Cessna Citation X. The N-number is N370EK...note the EK. I bet that was just a cruel joke thought up by the rapscallion that bought this thing without the knowledge of the boss. Whomever bought it has good taste...DAMN.

2002 CITATION X For Sale by Duncan Aviation, Inc. - N370EK at Aviation Business Index

Brian

That's just hot! Later model too.... mmmmm......
 
A friend of mine told me its not unusual for those private jets to cost $250,000 per month to operate including the monthly payment. I can't imagine it.
 
It has been stated that EVERYONE makes mistakes (as Evan's defense). Um, when I make a mistake.....dreams are not crushed. Well, at least not the dreams of SO MANY!

Well at least many got to live their dream for a while. Many wouldn't have except for Evan Knoll. You can't defend where is today but he's not nearly as bad as some paint him.
 
"Now, look where that ego, fingerpointing selfish mindset has brought him.."



George,
I truly believe that if he indeed has or had a brain injury your last sentence does not apply. Like Randy Goodwin said. Evan wasn't the same after his car crash. I'm not sticking up for, nor defending, anyone as I don't know the entire story. I do have extensive personal knowledge of the short and long-term effects of brain injury and I know what can happen. Even in non-life threatening situations. It can be very ugly.

Everyone read my post again. If he has/had a brain injury blame those around him. If it's all bull and he didn't have an injury, blame him. I have lived through this with someone very close to me and it sucks. They make strange decisions and it is very hard to speak rationally with them about anything. On top of my personal experience with someone with a brain injury , if you don't believe I know what I'm talking about google my last name and the word neurosurgery and see what you find.
 
Regardless if Evan has a brain injury, which I would hope he doesn't and if he does, that it improves, but when you own a huge company you have backup plans for these types of tragedies. My main problem with Evan Knoll is his lying and manipulating to cover up the situation...if you've done something wrong then own up to it. Like I said before, he's just digging himself in a deeper hole. The truth will come out soon enough (or part of it at least)...
 
I give up...you still don't understand what I am saying. If a person has a brain injury their cognitive skills are often not right. Memory, reasoning, judgement, etc. can all be effected to varying degrees. That would make it impossible to "own up" or "fess up" or "come clean". I don't know the man. I have nothing to do with this entire situation. If he was injured I'm sure he thought he had the right people in place to run his business. Obviously, he didn't. I'm just trying to explain that if he has a brain injury he obviously ISN'T RIGHT. I'm done. I hope none of you ever have to deal with it personally. Bash away.
 
I give up...you still don't understand what I am saying. If a person has a brain injury their cognitive skills are often not right. Memory, reasoning, judgement, etc. can all be effected to varying degrees. That would make it impossible to "own up" or "fess up" or "come clean". I don't know the man. I have nothing to do with this entire situation. If he was injured I'm sure he thought he had the right people in place to run his business. Obviously, he didn't. I'm just trying to explain that if he has a brain injury he obviously ISN'T RIGHT. I'm done. I hope none of you ever have to deal with it personally. Bash away.
Dave..please read the following. I believe most of the ill will towards Evan stems from his attitude. And I hear you about the neuro stuff..and I'm sorry for your personal dealings with it. But it's hard to get by his attitude.

Jan. 19, 2008 –

“First-off forgive my writing and some speaking, I am not seeing the best and also I am a 10th grade drop out; I had to work full time to help my mom when my dad past away,” stated Knoll. “No excuses from me, just stating a point and fact.”

“I know there are a lot of unanswered questions out there for my people that stand behind me, and even the Evan haters who think they know what’s going on,” said a frustrated Knoll, “Let me tell you something, you do not wear my shoes or my loved ones shoes first off. Now then, the teams, most of which I know will be racing, period. When something happens at the last minute, and you fall into not knowing crap due to HEAD injurys, my in-house business team picked up the ball and ran with it. Right, wrong or indifferent, it was their call and they did the best by me not knowing what’s going on with my health NOT AT ALL even my daughters dint know I don’t need them to worry they have life to worry about. ONLY IF YOU KNEW and a good call they did. After my surgery that I have been out for due to illness, some of you want to question my business my operations, my legal staff, CPA’s, and the IRS? I don’t think so! We get audited all the time. When you can go out and gross in the BILLIONS of dollars, yes that’s B as in BOY, then you can talk my lingo. I have over 1300 full time employees and PRIVATE HELD COMPANY'S that are not PUBLIC and will never be along with other investments and plus the personal investments. I DONT NEED ANY MONEY I HAVE PLENTY Thanks you! Now, I hope you are getting the picture a bit. I do this as a HOBBY Torco is a HOBBIE to me;. I have spent 40 million plus a year. Some of it is my PERSONAL money for the different charities that I do and love to do. You know, all of my in-house race teams are all on payroll and benefits, and will be except Melanie Troxel that Mike Ashley wanted to have under his umbrella. I retain all of my other drivers and my in-house teams know this. I read somewhere that Torco Racing Fuels is late on 2007 payments. You kill me! Latrell makes up all the payment forms and pays when he does, and anything that is owed from 2007 the fourth quarter is not due until NOW, JANUARY 2008, and or 30 days afterwards. That’s just the common business practice we use and I believe the industry does as well. Now, talking about past due, I heard there were supposed to be two manufacturers waiting for their money. This is coming off NitroMater. I can tell you it’s not from my companies. You must have that mixed up with a private team. My teams pay all their bills, per team, so check it out before you open your mouth; okay, know the source first off. Teams are ready to race and again. I WILL STICK WITH MY TEAMS CHOICE FOR 2008, and Latrell and my in-house team said that we will be back in 2009. Now my question is, WHAT THE HELL DONT YOU UNDERSTAND? I will never over ride my business team’s decision at all when they come to say this. I have one of the largest accounting firms that back us, Ernst and Young worldwide, and YES I did WIN the Entrepreneur of the Year in California this past November. So, does this make any sense that we’re in trouble? HELL NO! Give me a break. I am here in business and have the best legal team you can ask for. Since some of you want to talk about lawsuits, I can’t further answer anymore questions like I wanted to, since you speculated that and that’s what is in writing on some board. I have about 7 million dollars out to racers this year 2008 that was paid way back early fall. All my stuff is paid for. Add about another 4.5-5 million on payroll for just racing sitting on the sidelines as of today, and benefits, taxes and overhead just sitting to take care of my people, along with about 5.5 million in IHRA alone, and $700,000 PLUS or so in two Nationals Events in NHRA. So, go add it up okay? Now, about my trash talk fans that to hide behind the computer. People come on out to the track and tell me who you are, and if you have the guts you’ll tell me to my face. Let’s take care of it there and now. Otherwise, I don’t care about you. I’ll pray for you, but I don’t know if you have anything left to pray for or not. You can change the way you act, so come on and think and look around. It could be worse. If you don’t like me I don’t give a sh*t; that’s the bottom line. God, family and my loved ones come first, and we will see you at the track or around. By the way, this again is a hobby for me and I don’t even have five friends that I can count on; and guess what I AM RICH!!!! I do know I have a lot of loved ones, family and” racing family” that’s different from the so called friends and few friends that stand behind me, so go beat off and get a life for a FEW ONLY jerks that are out there. If you like me you do and if you don’t like me, you don’t because I won’t give a sh*t about you then!!!!!!!!!! So, saying that you can see who I care for God, my family and loved ones, and if that pisses some of you off BITE ME cause it doesn’t matter. WANT SOME, COME AND GET SOME - IT’S ALL HERE!!!!!!!!!!! Live your life for yourself, God, family and loved ones. It ain’t a hard rule to remember. Be yourself and if someone has a problem with you being you GOOD FOR THEM, F*@K EM!!!!!!!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!”

I am still here no jail hell i would relax there-lol, and been resting and got some new fuel comming out the next GENERATION MACH SERIES in about 10 days that we had in R&D for about 2 years!!!!!!!!! The IRS has been audititing the past 3 years and it takes time the size we are SO WHAT? And for Latrell Preston he was let go by "my staff" END OF STORY. Press realease comming soon its all good except some inhouse mega dollors bull-****!!!!!!!! Thanks Evan Knoll. PS. No further comment at this time. HAPPY FATHERS DAY!!!!!!!! 2009 Will be good for most of us.

I don't have a dog in this fight either..and Randy G's attitude is from someone that does..so it's hard to form an opinion. But it's even harder to swallow the responses from Evan himself..regardless of any condition.
 
A friend of mine told me its not unusual for those private jets to cost $250,000 per month to operate including the monthly payment. I can't imagine it.

Depends on how much you fly it. Fuel for an X is about $2400 an hour figuring $7 a gallon for Jet A. Burns a little over 340 gallons an hour. Then you've got hourly set asides, crew costs, training costs, etc. I wouldn't want to pay the bills on one of these things.
 
David W.,
I agree. I have read those posts. Obviously written by someone who isn't right. Guess I wasn't done after all. LOL. :o
 
I give up...you still don't understand what I am saying. If a person has a brain injury their cognitive skills are often not right. Memory, reasoning, judgement, etc. can all be effected to varying degrees. That would make it impossible to "own up" or "fess up" or "come clean". I don't know the man. I have nothing to do with this entire situation. If he was injured I'm sure he thought he had the right people in place to run his business. Obviously, he didn't. I'm just trying to explain that if he has a brain injury he obviously ISN'T RIGHT. I'm done. I hope none of you ever have to deal with it personally. Bash away.

Dave,
I didn't mean to direct my post towards yours and understand what your saying because I've had 2 family members deal with the same types of issues (thank a drunk driver for that one) and I'm sorry you've had to deal with it as well. My main frustration with Mr. Knoll is his attitude and his way of handling things. If I had to state my real opinion of him I'd probably be banned so we'll just keep it as simple as I don't have any respect for him. I actually feel like an idiot for defending him in the beginning when it turns out he was the one fooling everyone...
 
You seem frustrated by Evan's response in a given situation. The point Dave is trying to make is that a person with a brain injury will make improper responses to many situations BECAUSE of the brain injury......
 
Dave,
I didn't mean to direct my post towards yours and understand what your saying because I've had 2 family members deal with the same types of issues (thank a drunk driver for that one) and I'm sorry you've had to deal with it as well. My main frustration with Mr. Knoll is his attitude and his way of handling things. If I had to state my real opinion of him I'd probably be banned so we'll just keep it as simple as I don't have any respect for him. I actually feel like an idiot for defending him in the beginning when it turns out he was the one fooling everyone...

I understand what you are saying. Thanks! :)
 
You seem frustrated by Evan's response in a given situation. The point Dave is trying to make is that a person with a brain injury will make improper responses to many situations BECAUSE of the brain injury......

Darn you Mel, there you go explaining what I was trying to say in one very succinct sentence. That is exactly what I was trying to say. Thank you. :D Many times these people still seem normal to the outside world but very strange things are happening inside.
 
You are welcome Dave. I appreciate someone bringing something to a topic besides dirt or flames.......:)

Some will get it, some will not
 
Whether the injury rattled around his brain or not, I guarantee you that this will be the wholesale excuse for his actions that will be shoved down our throats. Seems like the right excuse for the situation to me, so I'm sure EK and his lawyer will milk it for all it's worth.
I don't buy it for a second.. That whole brain injury "rest for a year" thing was the cover up excuse from the start. I will also bet the judge won't buy it either.

I think what you see in those posts are what the real EK is. He seemed "just fine" while he was spending money he didn't have. He was fine while he assured everybody that his right hand man would have the checks in the mail. I never saw one person complain that he was out of his mind because of fear of losing everything, others because they had their lips welded to his posterior..
You know, for a brain injured person, he sure did one hell of a complicated, two in a half twist, triple backwards flip dive in the pike position dance until the balloon burst for all to see. Many kept on supporting his ways because they thought he would sprinkle more imaginary pixie dust in 2009 like he said, and others just couldn't/didn't believe it was over.. Only when he was obviously ruined did people finally see the light over the BS excuses, and then it was safe to comment.:rolleyes:.
 
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