HEMI6point1
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You guys crack me up. I take it that Force's tire smoker against a blown-up Capps in round 2 was a dive as well, right? 
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Will john force race capps straight up ???
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Bubba
Nitro Member
You guys crack me up. I take it that Force's tire smoker against a blown-up Capps in round 2 was a dive as well, right?
Don't be stupid.
Bullard Anderson
Nitro Member
Call me a different man in the 8 years since John Force intentionally drove to right, and out of the groove at Indy. Things happen everyday out of our control. And all we can do is stay strong and give our best effort to overcome. Force is continuing to build is own alternate legacy to the fans and to the pit area. He's been building this since the days Tony Pedregon was his hired "driver". I say let him. The only thing I care about is Ron Capps & crew control their own destiny in Pomona. In life that's all you can hope for.
HEMI6point1
Nitro Member
So now we're getting into insults just because I injected some common sense into this thread?
I was NITRO BREATH
Nitro Member
Wheres the common sense?? What does force / capps race have to do with force intentionally losing to Robert??So now we're getting into insults just because I injected some common sense into this thread?
mike
Nitro Member
IMO, the problems is NHRA's rules against "team orders". Grown up fans are adult enough to accepts sometimes it makes more sense for a team to be a team and give away a round for the betterment of the team, but because NHRA will penalize a racer for doing that we get all this stupid theater.
But the bottom line is, if Capps beats Force, Force wouldn't be in a position to play stupid games.
But the bottom line is, if Capps beats Force, Force wouldn't be in a position to play stupid games.
Rajunz
Nitro Member
I agree with the fact that everyone knew Force was going to loose the round before they even staged, that's just good strategy as a team owner, but Capps pointed it out, don't insult the fans so blatantly. There were dozens of ways that he could have taken that car down the track and not been that blatant about it. Hell, set them both up for a pedal fest, at least the fans would have enjoyed that one.
http://www.competitionplus.com/drag...force-square-off-following-controversial-race
Schumacher needed to stay muted on this controversy, how can he ignore TJ's team giving Hagan lane choice back at the 2014 Finals, on a one lane race track???
http://nitromater.com/threads/diving-lessons.37094/
http://www.competitionplus.com/drag...force-square-off-following-controversial-race
Schumacher needed to stay muted on this controversy, how can he ignore TJ's team giving Hagan lane choice back at the 2014 Finals, on a one lane race track???
http://nitromater.com/threads/diving-lessons.37094/
This grown-up fan doesn't accept nor lay out hard earned ticket money to see "professional" racers dive for any reason. I accept the fact that sometimes my favorite driver may not win any given round, but I'm a believer in "run whatcha brung and hope you brung enough" drag racing. Drag racing is (or should be) a sport where the baddest guy on the property wins, not one where races are faked or thrown. I see business decisions at work all week, I don't need to see it on my weekends. If NHRA allows this without consequence then why not let WWE sanction the races from now on?
Rajunz
Nitro Member
I totally agree with you Jim, but it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't to be expected. Also, how does the NHRA prove anything to enforce consequences?
Greg Anderson and Jason Line are two guys that know how to run a team. I can never recall them not running heads up.
ironpony
Nitro Member
Believe me when I say I bleed MOPAR blue but up until 09 when John threw the race with Hight, Force racing was my favorite team, after that I do not even stop at their pits anymore, just walk on by. Naturally I moved over to Shoe's teams, Hagan first Capps second, Beckman third, do not really like TJ, just never did.
PS my avatar is the inside of my left bicep, the 50th anniversary of the HEMI logo. yes MOPAR diehard.
PS my avatar is the inside of my left bicep, the 50th anniversary of the HEMI logo. yes MOPAR diehard.
But it is Pro Stock and only about a half dozen people care.
ironpony
Nitro Member
cantdrive55
Nitro Member
Actually 6 people....
C'mon man, there's at least a baker's dozen out there..............
Agreed. However, why does NHRA need concrete proof? Look at baseball, my other favorite sport, the umpire makes a judgment call (on balls and strikes at least) and that's it. No appeals or argument allowed. If every fan and every racer with 2 function eyes can see something, why can't the NHRA? If Force doesn't like it, let him cut a decent light and at least make a good showing next time. Toss out both he and Robert and I promise you won't see such and obvious forfeit next time. Just my .02 cents, I could be wrong...
Don't get me wrong, because I believe Force did it on purpose, but comparing baseball to the unpredictability of nitro racing is just ridiculous. Yes, he cut a horrible light, and yes, the car went towards the wall, but damn, that happens at every race across multiple classes. My point is, having someone make a judgement call on something that is so unpredictable is just asking for more trouble compared to just leaving it alone. JMO.
nitrobobby
Nitro Member
Here is where the blame.lies. Capps was 5th pair out. 2 out of 4 funny cars in the right lane smoked the tires.Tobler should have backed off car in the staging lanes. .A "Jim Dunn " 4.02 tune up beats John Force 9 out of 10 on race day!!!
MW
Nitro Member
I will keep my opinion to myself , but based on the last 2 races the .193 looks pretty suspect! Including the Dallas and Vegas 2 races Force made a total of 12 hits (Q and Elims). Throwing out the .193 and the .076 Red (Dallas) Forces' RT times were from an .048 best to a .119 worst. His average RT of the 10 runs counted was .090. I guess Hight just happened to be the beneficiary of the occasional bad light!
It's actually quite a reasonable comparison. A baseball ump has a couple tenths of a second to make a snap judgment that could impact the game. If NHRA would get their head out of the sand and quit pretending the racing is honest, then they could review it, and if things like a hugely abnormal reaction time, coupled with a car driving out of the lane (with no cylinders out, BTW) and a lot riding on the outcome of the race then a reasonable person could come to the conclusion that the fans, competitors and the sport were compromised for one person's monetary gain. Pete Rose did a lot less and was banned for life.
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