Where is the outrage?

[I was NITRO BREATH]

I guess I'm at a loss to understand the need for outrage. People are teammates for a reason. They share information, parts, etc. They presumably get some economies of scale from operating together. And I assume, like good teammates, when you have the chance to help the other teammate (in the pits or on the track), you help them.

I'm not sure I understand all the "holier-than-thou" pooh, like what Tony is spewing. Sure it would be cool to be a lone gun out there fighting the good fight and winning all alone. But, heck, even Tony doesn't. If he has a big boomer, don't other crews from DSR help with the turnaround? If they run short of some part, don't they borrow one from Cory Mac? If they're stumped by a problem, they never ask for help from their teammates?

As I said, people are teammates for a reason. Heck at least you KNOW they're in cahoots with each other, not like some dark backroom deal where you have know idea who's made a deal with who...

Color me not the least bit outraged.

Chris-- these are teams but not like a baseball team where they all are involved in an effort to win a championship. lets say a runner is in a marathon race. if he falls down 50 feet before the finish line and his team mate carries him over the line did he win the race ???? How can Robert hight stand up and be proud of the FC championship when one of the races he "won" was not valid because his team mate carried him over the line???

 

[mick]

the present economy of racing seems to reveal sponsors drawn towards
multi-car teams as their brand travels farther for more impressions.
i'm ok with that if that's what's necessary to not only fill fields, but also
put top notch sponsors, talent and parts on the track.
i'm a huge fan of independent teams, but without multi-car teams,
nhra, nascar, indycar, f1 would all arguably suffer.


some people dive and some do not - what's the big deal.
i have respect for those that do not and also those that do knowing that
business is dog eat dog and tomorrow no one remembers 2nd place.

 

[TR]

the present economy of racing seems to reveal sponsors drawn towards
multi-car teams as their brand travels farther for more impressions.
i'm ok with that if that's what's necessary to not only fill fields, but also
put top notch sponsors, talent and parts on the track.
i'm a huge fan of independent teams, but without multi-car teams,
nhra, nascar, indycar, f1 would all arguably suffer.


some people dive and some do not - what's the big deal.
i have respect for those that do not and also those that do knowing that
business is dog eat dog and tomorrow no one remembers 2nd place.

I agree there is nothing wrong with diving-------JUST ADMIT IT--don't try to cover it up and hem-ha about it. "Yeah I did it, so what" should be the standard did you dive answer.

 

[PJ]

Just another gift the countdown has given us. Yes there were dives before the countdown but we didn't see them every year. Now we know we are going to get them every year.

I get why the happen from the business side but as a competitor I hate it. Don't see how someone would want to win that way but hell I don't see how someone can raise a countdown trophy knowing that they had their ass handed to them all most the season.

Maybe I need to find a sport where competition is alive and well

 

[Bullard Anderson]

Guess that just goes to show that lack of interest the Bikes have compared to other classes!

A guy from one of my favorite states with another great quote!

 

[mick]

Maybe I need to find a sport where competition is alive and well

........sorry pj, most every major sport is fixed, just to what degree and
have they been caught.........amatuer and professional

 

[clwill]

Chris-- these are teams but not like a baseball team where they all are involved in an effort to win a championship.

I beg to differ. Ever seen JFR and their big pre-race meetings? Every one of them in a group hug, and chanting together. I'm sure DSR is meeting and discussing what's good for their teams. You KNOW that Anderson and Line are doing that. Remember a few years ago when Line (and not GA) won? I guarantee you there was a team meeting that said "he's got the best shot, let's get him a championship".

These are teams in every form of the word. To compare them to a marathon is not accurate. Runners in a marathon can't remove opponents from the competition to the benefit of their teammates. And "carry across the finish line" isn't accurate either (they would both get the same time).

Hight has a big mondo Wally at home, and nothing you say can take it away from him. Just because you or someone doesn't like how it happened doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

[Buns]

Look at it like this..

You can have two scenarios: You can win the championship with help from your team or you can not have it at all. Which would you rather have?

20 years down the road and these champs look at their trophy at home, do you think they'll look at it and regret having their team help them? I doubt it. They'll be glad they accomplished something most people never will.

 

[big guy]

Look at it like this..

You can have two scenarios: You can win the championship with help from your team or you can not have it at all. Which would you rather have?

20 years down the road and these champs look at their trophy at home, do you think they'll look at it and regret having their team help them? I doubt it. They'll be glad they accomplished something most people never will.

Most people never get the chance to.

 

[jackass]

Guess that just goes to show that lack of interest the Bikes have compared to other classes!

yep.. i was making a snack and getting a beer.... I will watch the bikes in person but on tv its like watching paint for me...

 

[DragFan2]

I agree there is nothing wrong with diving-------JUST ADMIT IT--don't try to cover it up and hem-ha about it. "Yeah I did it, so what" should be the standard did you dive answer.

That would not be allowed by NHRA as they do not condone deliberate "dives" per the rulebook I assume. Apparently there would be severe fines or penalties assessed for openly stating you did not try to compete. So, it's a Catch-22, as they can't state they are diving, yet it is okay to screw-up or break whatever and blame it on the car or a brain-fart, so it is obvious that some of the teams are playing by the rules and denying the dives when they are. Still, there is no proof until someone comes forward and admits to it, and so far that has not happened.

 

[I was NITRO BREATH]

look at it like this..

You can have two scenarios: You can win the championship with help from your team or you can not have it at all. Which would you rather have?

20 years down the road and these champs look at their trophy at home, do you think they'll look at it and regret having their team help them? I doubt it. They'll be glad they accomplished something most people never will.

but they didn't accomplish it. They cheated

 

[Joker]

As an owner/driver/crew chief/crew mbr its your responsibility to your sponsor to do everything in your power to win the Full Throttle Championship. And if you had the situation occur where you could decide what happens and dont take it, then I pesonally feel you let everyone down. There's too much money and obligations and crew mbr bonues' etc to not do it.

 

[I was NITRO BREATH]

I beg to differ. Ever seen JFR and their big pre-race meetings? Every one of them in a group hug, and chanting together. I'm sure DSR is meeting and discussing what's good for their teams. You KNOW that Anderson and Line are doing that. Remember a few years ago when Line (and not GA) won? I guarantee you there was a team meeting that said "he's got the best shot, let's get him a championship".

These are teams in every form of the word. To compare them to a marathon is not accurate. Runners in a marathon can't remove opponents from the competition to the benefit of their teammates. And "carry across the finish line" isn't accurate either (they would both get the same time).

Hight has a big mondo Wally at home, and nothing you say can take it away from him. Just because you or someone doesn't like how it happened doesn't mean it didn't happen.

ok Chris-- the rule book says taking a dive is not allowed. So if john let robert win the race that helped him win the championship is Robert really the champion??

 

[Buns]

but they didn't accomplish it. They cheated

Having a teammate hand you one run doesn't erase a championship caliber season.

 

[I was NITRO BREATH]

As an owner/driver/crew chief/crew mbr its your responsibility to your sponsor to do everything in your power to win the Full Throttle Championship. And if you had the situation occur where you could decide what happens and dont take it, then I pesonally feel you let everyone down. There's too much money and obligations and crew mbr bonues' etc to not do it.

so you condone cheating??

 

[I was NITRO BREATH]

Having a teammate hand you one run doesn't erase a championship caliber season.

in my mind it does

 

[Buns]

in my mind it does

Sorry but that's not realistic. One run out of a whole season doesn't negate all the wins and great runs a team has all year. The Full Throttle championship is a journey and it takes a whole lot more than one run to get a team in-position to win a championship.

I can understand not liking it but you can't say a team owes the whole season to one run.

 

[Joker]

I dont condone cheating but I dont view letting your teammate win as cheating. Like its been stated above, its one run over the course of the year. That doesnt overshadow a good season.

Everyone acts like this just started, its always been this way and always will be this way. Do I like team orders? No. Do I understand them. Absolutely. Is it cheating? to me, no.

 

[Buns]

Everyone acts like this just started, its always been this way and always will be this way. Do I like team orders? No. Do I understand them. Absolutely. Is it cheating? to me, no.

Especially when you have teams that are sharing the same major sponsors.