FABMAN
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The final word is KEY! That locks the door, but they don't have the b..ls to stand up to the union, and the union must have forgotten what country they're in!
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Small Tennessee town outraged over Tyson Foods Decision
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The final word is KEY! That locks the door, but they don't have the b..ls to stand up to the union, and the union must have forgotten what country they're in!
You mean a country where freedom of religion is embraced?The final word is KEY! That locks the door, but they don't have the b..ls to stand up to the union, and the union must have forgotten what country they're in!
clwill
Nitro Member
Gimme a friggin' break. So the union comes to you and says we want this day vs. that day off, and you want them to lock them out? Over some misguided jingoistic "America, love it or leave it" crap?
Why does the company care? It's a labor union creation, created by and for the unions (see this), if unions want to abandon it in favor of some other day, why should the company (or anyone here) care?
Rich
Nitro Member
True. That said, I've negotiated many union contracts over the years. And every contract I've been a part of has always stated that work on Labor Day could only be done with the consent of the union. No other holiday in our contracts had that provision (though there were provisions for holiday pay plus overtime). I can tell you right now there's no way I would have EVER agreed to give up Labor Day for Eid al-Fitr or any other religious holiday. This is something I've always felt very strongly about. As far as I'm concerned any union that gives or trades away Labor Day is giving a slap in the face to it's own heritage and history.
Uhm, I agree with you.
clwill
Nitro Member
clwill
Nitro Member
Yep, but as more than one dad has said to their kid: "I brought you into this world, I can take you out of it"
FABMAN
Nitro Member
In this country you have freedom of religion and freedom of speech, but no where does it say i have to embrace it! If Greg Moon wants to embrace it feel free to do so but don't try to force it on me!
I suppose Christmas and Easter will be next!?
mike cummings
Nitro Member
in this case it looks like the religion of the minority of Tyson workers is being forced upon the majority of the Tyson workers.
I doubt it was forced. You don't do anything in a union without a vote.
Rich
Nitro Member
That's very true. I also suspect that a large majority of employees in that plant were of the muslim faith and that the suggestion for the holiday came from the Tyson employees themselves.
Contractual holiday provisions do not always follow the national pattern. For instance, my mother once worked for a company where the employees received Yom Kippur as one of their paid holidays. The company I worked for had Good Friday as one of its' holidays. And I recall that the autoworkers at the now defunct Checker plant had the first day of hunting season as a holiday.
mick
Nitro Member
this is a private business making a working contract with it's employees
in order to better serve their employer/employee relations so as to
maximize their bottom line.
as far as i can read, this 'holiday' decision does not affect anyone in that
community other than the union employees working at this particular factory.
this decision appears to have been a majority vote by the union employees
and accepted by Tyson.
anyone stop to think that Tyson may be ecstatic over the performance
of this minority group of employess and therefore listens and reacts,
within reason, to their wants and needs in order to maintain their
great work performance?
in order to better serve their employer/employee relations so as to
maximize their bottom line.
as far as i can read, this 'holiday' decision does not affect anyone in that
community other than the union employees working at this particular factory.
this decision appears to have been a majority vote by the union employees
and accepted by Tyson.
anyone stop to think that Tyson may be ecstatic over the performance
of this minority group of employess and therefore listens and reacts,
within reason, to their wants and needs in order to maintain their
great work performance?
d'kid
Nitro Member
Yet You are 'forcing' Two religious Holidays on me... can I get My religious Holidays off with pay too?
I only thought it was the Big Six....
National Hang Over Day
Memorial Day
4th of July
Labor Day
Thanksgiving Day
Christmas (Religious)
d'kid
I too am disappointed that Labor Day would be the one that was eliminated, but perhaps the labor decided that the other 7 holidays were more important to them, in this, and only this, factory.
Christmas Holiday is celebrated for days on end in this country, with time off on the 25th, typically 1/2 day on the 24th, and many people (myself included) try to take the week after as vacation.
That being said, if the body of the union voted, and presented the results of the vote to Tyson, why is everyone one upset? The residents? Well, if you don't like how Tyson treats its workers, shut the plant down and watch the jobs go elsewhere. And, see the wages, taxes and jobs go right along with it.
Wouldn't a union vote be democracy in motion? Or is that forbade since it isn't a Christian holiday?
Speaking of National Holidays, has anyone seen John McCain claim credit for advancing the initiation of MLK day, while his voting record says otherwise? You just can't make this stuff up.
I agree Kelly. It is called a floating holiday. I get 2 a year.
Some people flat out don't want a muslim holiday recognized or allowed to be paid for.
Many people work Christmas, Thanksgiving, July 4th and on and on, (cops, fire fighters, retail, factory workers) and NOW this is an issue?
Is it the time off, or the fact it is a muslim holiday that is irking most? I would bet it is the latter.
Is there no such thing as an American born Muslim? Or is every American a Christian?
This has nothing to do with a "National" holiday, but rather how a corporation compromises with its workers to put out a product, and make money. No one other than the employees of this factory are affected. Certainly not on a national level.
Something tells me you have a problem with MLK day being a national holiday also. Forgive me if I am mistaken.
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d'kid
Nitro Member
Why am I getting the feeling that because I'm not a Christan, I'm not an American?
y'all can believe what you want if it helps you make it through life... my beliefs are different from yours, I also read the Constitution different from you, Our Forefathers were very careful NOT to establish a State religion.
d'kid
y'all can believe what you want if it helps you make it through life... my beliefs are different from yours, I also read the Constitution different from you, Our Forefathers were very careful NOT to establish a State religion.
d'kid
