Response from Evan Knoll (1 Viewer)

[none]

Glad to see you guys worked this out... NOT.

Some time is life you have to "Agree to Disagree" Life is to short.

 

["Dr. Dirt"]

Some time is life you have to "Agree to Disagree" Life is to short.

You got that right Wayne. Be it political, religious, philosophical, practical we will completely disagree with everyone on some things. I believe the real test is how we handle those differences that defines us.

I'm choosing to move on from this thread and let people believe what they want. I'll personally choose to thank Evan for all he has done for our sport as a direct result of my opinion that he's helped more than he's hurt.

 

[TJ]

George...I completely agree w/ you on this subject...

On the same subject I think we all saw some of Mr Knolls 'true colors' when he explained how he passes a physical for the NHRA T/F license...
He said that you find any clinic w/ a PHD that has never seen you and he will fill out the forms and send em in..No rocket science....BUT...on the physical application there is boxes you check for such things like 'HEAD INJURIES/BACK INJURIES/ETC...Mr Knoll must have forgot to check the box regarding past head injuries requiring the attending physician to do further studies on the applicant...Some would call that 'fraud or a liar'....kind of like his sponsorship situation...
It does not matter if you are intoxicated/medicated/etc as behind everything we say as humans in whatever state of mind is a bit of your true colors...
Including myself...

 

[club]

Ditto! I'm with Tony on this one!

Move over and I'll buy the drinks.

 

[Nitrohaulic]

You got that right Wayne. Be it political, religious, philosophical, practical we will completely disagree with everyone on some things. I believe the real test is how we handle those differences that defines us.

I'm choosing to move on from this thread and let people believe what they want. I'll personally choose to thank Evan for all he has done for our sport as a direct result of my opinion that he's helped more than he's hurt.

Dittos. People should disagree with what others SAY all they want. You DON'T make statements about the PERSON'S INTENTIONS unless you KNOW it! Even if someone tries to qualify it with an "I think", you need to say WHY you think it. It should be more than just because there's more than one possibility and you're NOT giving them the benefit of the doubt because you don't assume that other peoples' intentions could possibly be as good as your own.

You mistrust people in your mind all you want. I do. What you say or even suggest in a public place about a person's NAME is something else.

P.S. If you DO need to mine for $$$, you've got my number, Bobby!

 

[d'kid]

Oh... Happy Birthday Ron

d'kid

 

[George.]

Thanks for your support Terry, I appreciate it.

Ron,
There is no such thing in my world as "standing behind something wrong".
If you make a promise, I hope you keep if my friend, or will you blame your welched deal onto someone or something else??
My dad told me years ago, "You can only lose your character once"

There are always choices Ron, and it's sometimes tougher to do the right thing. To deflect those wrong choices onto a "team" is weak, and a major league cop-out in my book. The more money and success you have, the easier it is to sell it to someone like Bobby or you..
Ultimately, through all of the mudslinging between us, we define character differently.

In regards to Bobby, that's exactly how I feel, sorry if you don't agree. I'm certainly not about "getting along" with anybody, and really don't care if you or anybody else likes me. I'm about what's right & wrong, and TOTALLY about doing the right thing in my life. If that's a character flaw in me, I think I can live with it....

 

[Nitrohaulic]

George...I completely agree w/ you on this subject...

On the same subject I think we all saw some of Mr Knolls 'true colors' when he explained how he passes a physical for the NHRA T/F license...
He said that you find any clinic w/ a PHD that has never seen you and he will fill out the forms and send em in..No rocket science....BUT...on the physical application there is boxes you check for such things like 'HEAD INJURIES/BACK INJURIES/ETC...Mr Knoll must have forgot to check the box regarding past head injuries requiring the attending physician to do further studies on the applicant...Some would call that 'fraud or a liar'....kind of like his sponsorship situation...
It does not matter if you are intoxicated/medicated/etc as behind everything we say as humans in whatever state of mind is a bit of your true colors...
Including myself...

I thought he was talking about a driver's license. In the trucking business, we call that doctor shopping. I happen to have some mild color blindness. I've never had a problem with the colors I need to see in traffic. I DID have a doc fail me once because I couldn't make out all those numbers in the middle of dots. He did it from his own liability standpoint. Did I go flip burgers or did I go find another doc? Many take a common sense approach, such as holding up suckers they have to give kids and asking me to identify the red, yellow, and green ones. The D.O.T. physical form doesn't tell them to do that. Again, common sense that's not in a book. Thankfully, some people still know what that is.

This is Mr. Knoll giving an example of how things sometimes GET DONE in the real world. I'm sure he knew that someone would probably attack him for it.

Reminds me of when I blew an engine in my truck a few years ago. Real bad. Crankshaft, out of frame rebuild. Also had a nice dedicated tanker run of hazmat chemicals from Spartanburg to Wilmington at the time that I didn't want to lose. I rented a truck from Ryder after a higher up in the company i was leased to told me it was okay. I forget the technicality for which a terminal manager (someone who already didn't like me due to my common sense overriding his book sense in the past) told me I couldn't do it. I finally went over his head (which is what he was ticked about in the first place) back to the vice-president who originally gave me the verbal "okay." He asked me "Do you have the truck there?" I answered "Yes." "Did it come with a tag on it?" "Yes" "Well, go out there, hook up to a tanker, and go on down the road already!" I ran that truck for about a month with nothing but Ryder registration and a logbook. Nothing tying it to the company it was hauling for.

 

[none]

The battle is not against flesh and blood, but that is usually where we try to fight it. There is always a tension in drag racing between those who view or are involved with it as a hobby, or as a business. Those who are involved with abundant means and those who have sacrificed to compete. I come from the latter. When I see something like this, I tend to sympathize with those whose livelihood may be jepardized. There is no question that Mr. Knoll has been extremely generous to this sport, but it ultimately is a hobby for him. Maybe it's a microcosm of our indebted American society that has spent what it has not yet earned. You can't blame the credit card companies, you must look in the mirror.
I think we're blind and all in a big room, each one trying to describe the part of the elephant we are touching - none of us seeing the whole thing.

 

[Nitrohaulic]

Thanks for your support Terry, I appreciate it.

Ron,
There is no such thing in my world as "standing behind something wrong".
If you make a promise, I hope you keep if my friend, or will you blame your welched deal onto someone or something else??
My dad told me years ago, "You can only lose your character once"

There are always choices Ron, and it's sometimes tougher to do the right thing. To deflect those wrong choices onto a "team" is weak, and a major league cop-out in my book. The more money and success you have, the easier it is to sell it to someone like Bobby or you..
Ultimately, through all of the mudslinging between us, we define character differently.

In regards to Bobby, that's exactly how I feel, sorry if you don't agree. I'm certainly not about "getting along" with anybody, and really don't care if you or anybody else likes me. I'm about what's right & wrong, and TOTALLY about doing the right thing in my life. If that's a character flaw in me, I think I can live with it....

All that's fine to debate about. When you publicly make ASSUMPTIONS about WHY Bobby's saying something, THEN try to say it wasn't personal? Bullsh*t. You tried to make yourself look better than you were, even while apologizing. If you've got that kind of denial, I'm sure you CAN live with it.

I don't judge people based on how I FEEL about them. You don't publicly take pot shots at someone's name. You did it to Bobby based on your guesses. I did it to you based on exactly what you said about him.

 

[Nitrohaulic]

Oh... Happy Birthday Ron

d'kid

Thank you very much, Karl! LOL, I was mistaken about my schedule for this week and until yesterday afternoon, thought I had to leave yesterday afternoon, so she was all nice to me (wonderful steak dinner, cake, etc) a day ahead of time. Then I find out that I don't leave until THIS afternoon. I'm telling her "Hey, it IS still my birthday." I can't post her reply here!

 

[none]

The battle is not against flesh and blood, but that is usually where we try to fight it. There is always a tension in drag racing between those who view or are involved with it as a hobby, or as a business. Those who are involved with abundant means and those who have sacrificed to compete. I come from the latter. When I see something like this, I tend to sympathize with those whose livelihood may be jepardized. There is no question that Mr. Knoll has been extremely generous to this sport, but it ultimately is a hobby for him. Maybe it's a microcosm of our indebted American society that has spent what it has not yet earned. You can't blame the credit card companies, you must look in the mirror.
I think we're blind and all in a big room, each one trying to describe the part of the elephant we are touching - none of us seeing the whole thing.

Addressing both sides.....no spewing........very eloquent

 

[Sandy]

Move over and I'll buy the drinks.

coors lite and lots of butter on the popcorn!!!

 

[George.]

I don't judge people based on how I FEEL about them. You don't publicly take pot shots at someone's name. You did it to Bobby based on your guesses. I did it to you based on exactly what you said about him.

If you want to call it personal, that's fine with me.
If you make a statement, or offer an opinion on such a personal subject like this, I would suggest that you quit hiding behind the "personal" shield when your motives are questioned, and answer the questions.
You're reasoning is weird to me, sorry if that's getting personal...

This whole situation will be remembered forever. Everybody who is anybody has peobably followed it.
The reason it will be remembered isn't primarliy because of what happened, or even "why" it happened, the truth will come out eventually, but rather by the unnecessary, unprofessional boastful and self serving response to spin an extremely negative action. Couple that with the physical threats, it's safe to say that most people find this strange enough to never forget.

I know this thread has run it's course. We (some) as good men and women look at our conscience as our guide.

I am out.

 

[TJ]

George...Keep up the thinking outside the box as people like you make this place interesting...Most here are very predictable w/ the sucking up...and agreeing w/ everyone else...

 

[Bullet]

...Most here are very predictable w/ the sucking up...and agreeing w/ everyone else...

I agree!!

 

[Nitrohaulic]

If you want to call it personal, that's fine with me.
If you make a statement, or offer an opinion on such a personal subject like this, I would suggest that you quit hiding behind the "personal" shield when your motives are questioned, and answer the questions.
You're reasoning is weird to me, sorry if that's getting personal...

This whole situation will be remembered forever. Everybody who is anybody has peobably followed it.
The reason it will be remembered isn't primarliy because of what happened, or even "why" it happened, the truth will come out eventually, but rather by the unnecessary, unprofessional boastful and self serving response to spin an extremely negative action. Couple that with the physical threats, it's safe to say that most people find this strange enough to never forget.

I know this thread has run it's course. We (some) as good men and women look at our conscience as our guide.

I am out.

"Hiding?" Now you're doing it to me. My motives aren't the ones that have been questioned here. You questioned Bobby's and I questioned yours. You did it on assumption. I did it on fact. Again, these are your words.

I think you are either conveniently blind, or you think some $$$ may be mined from all of this a$$ kissing.

Sorry Bobby if it seemed personal, but it truly wasn't,....

Tell me how the first quote above WOULDN'T be personal. In your contradiction, I think you could only be dishonest or not very bright. If there's another possibility, I'd love to hear it.

I would have called you on that had you done it to ANYONE without anything to base your accusations on. I would stake the lives of my loved ones, my life, and everything I own on the honesty of anything said by any of the Millers I've met.

The irony is you DOING exactly what you're accusing Bobby of doing. You're suggesting that he has bad intentions by doing nothing more than guessing what his are. You have bad intentions WHILE accusing him of it.

You should be fine. You've got Terry Jones vouching for your "out of the box" thinking! Keep at it and maybe you'll start getting compliments for being passionate and outspoken!

 

[George.]

OK Ron, you have the right to feel the way you do, and I respect that.

I have learned a lot from you guys, I really have. In my own way, I want to thank you.
In fact, I think you guys have opened the eyes of many who have learned some new and valuable lessons about people, respect, business, contracts, interpretations, character, the power of celebrity, and it's affects on the weak minded.

Best of luck, and a safe 2008.

 

[Nitrohaulic]

OK Ron, you have the right to feel the way you do, and I respect that.

I have learned a lot from you guys, I really have. In my own way, I want to thank you.
In fact, I think you guys have opened the eyes of many who have learned some new and valuable lessons about people, respect, business, contracts, interpretations, character, the power of celebrity, and it's affects on the weak minded.

Best of luck, and a safe 2008.

Now let ME take a stab at assuming what YOU'RE doing. You're avoiding specifically addressing the contradiction I pointed out TWICE because you "truly" (LOL) can't defend it. Yeah, we're the ones with the problems. It's "us guys."

Have a good 2008 yourself.

 

[BriGuy]

Live your life for yourself, God, family and loved ones. It ain’t a hard rule to remember. Be yourself and if someone has a problem with you being you GOOD FOR THEM, F*@K EM!!!!!!!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!”

Hey Evan,

Im new to this site as a member but have been following it for a while. I think you summed it up perfectly with your quote above! I dont care what anyone says you have been a great person to our sport and I just wanted you to know that.

Im Canadian and noticed that your company recently became the presenting sponsor of the Pro Modified Racing Association and I wanted to thank you for that. I think it would be awesome if you could get involved with a Canadian fuel team if you return to sponsor more teams in 2009.

I keep up with this team quite a bit and I thought you might find the owner's blog for this month interesting... Northern Force Racing - Bogus Notes

Im keepin my fingers crossed for ya. Hope to see you healthy and back doin what you love soon!

Brian