NHRA Tech says to DSR Top Fuelers "Take It Off"!

[Buns]

Here is what Tim Gibson has to say. It doesn't get much more qualified than that. This lends even more credence to what the DSR camp is saying.

http://competitionplus.com/drag-rac...disputes-claim-that-shrouds-boost-performance

 

[Rat]

Here is what Tim Gibson has to say. It doesn't get much more qualified than that. This lends even more credence to what the DSR camp is saying.

http://competitionplus.com/drag-rac...disputes-claim-that-shrouds-boost-performance

Exactly If anyone gets aero properties it is him. He defends DSR so I again say NHRA, What is your problem?

 

[TR]

Here is what Tim Gibson has to say. It doesn't get much more qualified than that. This lends even more credence to what the DSR camp is saying.

http://competitionplus.com/drag-rac...disputes-claim-that-shrouds-boost-performance

Wow, that is just so spot on. An electrical engineer, come on Graham. I work with EE's all day long and they are nice guys that are smart, but I wouldn't let them touch anything in my fabrication shop. To sum it up this whole deal,it is a bunch of MICKEY MOUSE RAT S**T, and that product is all over NHRA's face, specifically Graham Light, what a buffone. (No offense to Mickey Mouse or any rats).

Rick

 

[sdwarf36]

Where did the $99,750 difference from what Don spent to what Lee spent end up?

 

[clwill]

They are so confident in the engineer that they blacked his/her name out? Really?

 

[Bullard Anderson]

Engineer blackout to keep his/her name quiet is a possibility. Why outwardly let the competition know, so they could maybe lure away with $$$$ . Just a thought.

All of this hoopla should have been done before the shroud hit the track. The declaration that it's OK to use it, certified, then 3 races left to go in the season it's "Take it Off Now."?

Well that just screams that an organization doesn't do it's research before hand.

Where is the NHRA Research and Development Facility by the way. Surely it's been funded and up and running for the safety of the sport for a long long time, Right??? When I see TCompton's salary I can only assume that it's after all the necessary things have been taken care of, like a Research and Development Facility.

Who is the independent driver, maybe retired, who test things on Pro Stock, Top Fuel, Bikes, and Funny Cars?
For safety and competition.

Surely this is the case?

 

[.]

I'd certainly believe what Tim Gibson says over anything that comes out of Dim Light's mouth.

 

[MHayes]

Where did the $99,750 difference from what Don spent to what Lee spent end up?

I was thinking the same thing Sherman, LOL! Someone must have miscut the piece enough to waste $99,750 worth of metal. Measure twice, cut once

 

[Rat]

I was thinking the same thing Sherman, LOL! Someone must have miscut the piece enough to waste $99,750 worth of metal. Measure twice, cut once

Exactly maybe it was all way too half assed to actually put on the car the first time around

 

[Bobby Bennett]

You guys must be forgetting the investment into the enclosed capsule, which is far more than the shroud.

 

[Paul]

I've been trying to keep my mouth shut on this topic as most NHRA members don't really want to hear about any recommendations to try to make big organizational changes in the NHRA.

But I just can't keep quiet in this case. Its a perfect example of how disfunctional and short brained the current NHRA management is.

By law, as a non-profit business league the NHRA is chartered to behave in a manner that helps further the racing related activties of its members, ie the racers.

Instead, they operate like the NHRA is a privately owned organization that they can run any way they want to.

In this case, they feel like they can pull a dumb ruling totally out of their asses, with their only defense that "some engineer" advised them it was the best thing to do.

But having spent the members (racers) money on this engineering report, do you think we could take a look at it?

Nope, we don't feel like letting you see it. This is serving the members well?

If they really did own the NHRA and wanted to run it like a bunch of dickheads, more power to them, this is America and if its yours, do what you want with it.

But they don't own the NHRA, its a free standing non-profit organization with no private ownership that by design and by law was to be ultimately controlled by its members, the racers.

However, the NHRA pulled some legal schenanigans many years back to strip all the members voting rights so they could get away running the NHRA like they actually do own it and thus we get dumb ass decisions like this one.

I believe that if the NHRA members banded together that the removed voting rights could be restored, which would allow the NHRA members to elect a different board of directors and stop the madness.

It wouldn't be an easy thing to accomplish but I believe its possible but NHRA members would have to get fed up enough to band together.

With enough dumb decisions like this one, maybe some day that will happen.

Anyway, if the current NHRA management is so confident in the great job they are doing running the company, why shouldn't they honor a request by the members to restore the companies bylaws back to how they originally were drafted by Wally Parks, which specified periodic elections for the board members?

If a majority of the current NHRA members signed a petition to restore these voting rights I believe the NHRA could be legally pressured to do it.

 

[Tony]

Objection, Your Honor. Conjecture on the part of the plaintiff.

Objection sustained Carl. I'll just say that the shroud may have not performed as well as DSR and the NHRA anticipated and hoped it would.

And again I"ll say - Lee Beard and now Tim Gibson have commented that the purpose of the shroud is not to increase performance, and both have said that it probably didn't make the car(s) run quicker. DSR presented the shroud to the NHRA as a SAFETY devise. The NHRA accepted the word of DSR, and accepted the shroud without any testing by the NHRA.

After Antron's recent fire, the shroud needs further testing. Should the shroud(s) have been allowed to remain on the DSR car(s) until the end of the season? That isn't up to me or anyone else on the Mater to decide.

To me, the complaint about a perceived performance advantage brought forth by a competitor is a moot point. Does anyone know when this complaint was received? Was it early in the season, or two weeks ago?

As far as questioning aero engineers, or any other engineers, if you ask 10 of them their opinion, you will probably get 10 different answers, there are too may variables.

If the shroud is not a performance part, as stated by DSR, then DSR shouldn't have any problems removing it until testing is completed by the NHRA.

 

[twostep]

If the shroud is not a performance part, as stated by DSR, then NHRA shouldn't have any problems with DSR keeping it until post-season testing is completed by the NHRA.

Two sides to the coin, Tony...not that my side is necessarily the right one. Simply my opinion, buddy.

 

[Rat]

I've been trying to keep my mouth shut on this topic as most NHRA members don't really want to hear about any recommendations to try to make big organizational changes in the NHRA.

But I just can't keep quiet in this case. Its a perfect example of how disfunctional and short brained the current NHRA management is.

By law, as a non-profit business league the NHRA is chartered to behave in a manner that helps further the racing related activties of its members, ie the racers.

Instead, they operate like the NHRA is a privately owned organization that they can run any way they want to.

In this case, they feel like they can pull a dumb ruling totally out of their asses, with their only defense that "some engineer" advised them it was the best thing to do.

But having spent the members (racers) money on this engineering report, do you think we could take a look at it?

Nope, we don't feel like letting you see it. This is serving the members well?

If they really did own the NHRA and wanted to run it like a bunch of dickheads, more power to them, this is America and if its yours, do what you want with it.

But they don't own the NHRA, its a free standing non-profit organization with no private ownership that by design and by law was to be ultimately controlled by its members, the racers.

However, the NHRA pulled some legal schenanigans many years back to strip all the members voting rights so they could get away running the NHRA like they actually do own it and thus we get dumb ass decisions like this one.

I believe that if the NHRA members banded together that the removed voting rights could be restored, which would allow the NHRA members to elect a different board of directors and stop the madness.

It wouldn't be an easy thing to accomplish but I believe its possible but NHRA members would have to get fed up enough to band together.

With enough dumb decisions like this one, maybe some day that will happen.

Anyway, if the current NHRA management is so confident in the great job they are doing running the company, why shouldn't they honor a request by the members to restore the companies bylaws back to how they originally were drafted by Wally Parks, which specified periodic elections for the board members?

If a majority of the current NHRA members signed a petition to restore these voting rights I believe the NHRA could be legally pressured to do it.

I could never agree with you more, and people tell me to contact the NHRA, I have, they wipe there ass with any fan input letters they recieve. They are in there own world with their rules and implementing how they see fit. They will accept nothing negative, only turning positive facts and yes that outlook is good for business, but not for the business of the NHRA, there are less and less positives and the sport is not in danger of becoming extinct, but it's not growing and the brass should try and be at least a little concerned that the sport is not growing.

 

[TR]

Is anybody taking odds that NHRA will reverse this ruling? I doubt they could ever, ever admit they made a mistake, but you never know. Any takers?

Rick

 

[shoe]

The $100,000 plus that DSR has spent is on the fully enclosed cockpit that we have worked on. Not this shroud. All of this work is being done to try and improve the safety for the driver

 

[twostep]

The $100,000 plus that DSR has spent is on the fully enclosed cockpit that we have worked on. Not this shroud. All of this work is being done to try and improve the safety for the driver

Just curious. Where does the fully enclosed cockpit stand, as far as your development of it and NHRA's position?

 

[JIMBO]

I've been trying to keep my mouth shut on this topic as most NHRA members don't really want to hear about any recommendations to try to make big organizational changes in the NHRA.

But I just can't keep quiet in this case. Its a perfect example of how disfunctional and short brained the current NHRA management is.

By law, as a non-profit business league the NHRA is chartered to behave in a manner that helps further the racing related activties of its members, ie the racers.

Instead, they operate like the NHRA is a privately owned organization that they can run any way they want to.

In this case, they feel like they can pull a dumb ruling totally out of their asses, with their only defense that "some engineer" advised them it was the best thing to do.

But having spent the members (racers) money on this engineering report, do you think we could take a look at it?

Nope, we don't feel like letting you see it. This is serving the members well?

If they really did own the NHRA and wanted to run it like a bunch of dickheads, more power to them, this is America and if its yours, do what you want with it.

But they don't own the NHRA, its a free standing non-profit organization with no private ownership that by design and by law was to be ultimately controlled by its members, the racers.

However, the NHRA pulled some legal schenanigans many years back to strip all the members voting rights so they could get away running the NHRA like they actually do own it and thus we get dumb ass decisions like this one.

I believe that if the NHRA members banded together that the removed voting rights could be restored, which would allow the NHRA members to elect a different board of directors and stop the madness.

It wouldn't be an easy thing to accomplish but I believe its possible but NHRA members would have to get fed up enough to band together.

With enough dumb decisions like this one, maybe some day that will happen.

Anyway, if the current NHRA management is so confident in the great job they are doing running the company, why shouldn't they honor a request by the members to restore the companies bylaws back to how they originally were drafted by Wally Parks, which specified periodic elections for the board members?

If a majority of the current NHRA members signed a petition to restore these voting rights I believe the NHRA could be legally pressured to do it.

Well said and this is the main reason I stopped giving them membership money . I can be a member of almost any organisation and at least have a vote as to what that group is doing and who is controlling this group.

 

[TSK]

Say the shrouds are a performance enhancer. So the @#$% what.
Top fuel is supposed to be all about innovation and getting the most out of your race car.
If you come up with a better idea that is within the rules, good for you. It's up to the rest of the teams to figure out how to beat you.
Isn't the crybaby who went to NHRA basically saying he's not as smart as DSR?
Why doesn't that team copy the shroud and go racing and may the best team win?
I don't know how or why DSR puts up with NHRA's nonsense.
Good grief, there are times I swear NHRA is trying to kill drag racing.

 

[Dan]

DSR has been, I think, singled out in the past by NHRA. Does anyone, besides me, are thinking that no other teams were complaining to NHRA about the shrouds?