NHRA Review Panel upholds Schumacher findings, fine (2 Viewers)

[Tom]

Perhaps they read the Mater and wanted to update people on where the case is?

I agree that people who break the rules should be held accountable, and it's hard to argue that DSR didn't have the nitro. The way NHRA handled it was pretty sad. Light on TV -- why do that? Should've been a private matter. And the 1.3.1 rule they violated is all about "participant conduct" -- like disparaging the sport or NHRA, that kind of thing. What's that about?

But all in all, hard to say the rule book should apply in some cases and not others. That's what the appeals process is about. Perhaps we should let that take its course?

That's the same kind of BS they do EVERY TIME ANYTHING happens in ASSCAR, whether a car didn't pass tech, a fight broke out, someone cursed in an interview, etc. "Section 12-4-A - Actions detrimental to stock car racing". I called a tech official a C.S. and that is the rule they quoted as well. So, I typed out 12-4-a - "Actions detrimental to Stock Car Racing and stuffed them into fortune cookies, put them in a bag, and passed them out to officials at the next race (after I appealed my $500 fine). The bag said "Official 2006 NASCAR Rulebook - Revised". They could have FIT the entire ASSCAR rule book in a fortune cookie, because that is the only rule they ever quoted or used. I never did pay the fine, and the track ended up closing after the 2006 season.

 

[J.C.]

Ok, after reading all of your responses, here is my take on this deal....

Yes, DSR broke a rule by having the nitro in their pits.

Did they use, or intend to use, the nitro during NHRA competition? No.

So, by the spirit of the law/rule, they should be punished. But, $100k???? Where did that number come from. I don't recall even a $10k fine every being imposed against a team! Maybe $100k would be justified for a flagrant violation of a rule (like using nitrous oxide in pro-stock, ever heard of that?), but not for having something in your pit that is not being used.

I'm not a huge DSR fan, but the $100k fine is just ridiculous. What would happen if Don got all of his sponsors to agree to sit out a race in protest of the fine? Now that would be an interesting Sunday NHRA race day!

 

[Buzzz Miller]

We are not getting the whole story, that is for sure! And making a decision on less than the full facts is always faltered.
The question in my mind has nothing to do with if they had in on the NHRA premises. He is a nitro dealer. He has full approval from Homeland Security, permits etc. He was transporting it back to Indiana by one of his transporters. There is no harm in that. The question is did he USE it? Ever?

A nitro crew chief stated it to me this way;
Let's get to the real question. Did they use their nitro in competition? If they did, did the fuel check at the end of the run ever see clear nitro? (Shoe stuff is clear.) If so, Big shame on the NHRA. They know better, yet turned a blind eye, establishing a precedence. Did a team use the nitro in question and color it to deceive the fuel check. Then shame on the team. They know better, and deserve every fine they will get.

 

[clwill]

The question in my mind has nothing to do with if they had in on the NHRA premises. He is a nitro dealer. He has full approval from Homeland Security, permits etc. He was transporting it back to Indiana by one of his transporters. There is no harm in that. The question is did he USE it? Ever?

I agree that use is the real problem, but the rule (section 1.6, page 64 of the 2008 book) specifically says "Only nitromethane from an NHRA-accepted supplier may be brought on site...". Later it goes on to say "no clear nitromethane will be allowed", and as you note DSR's is clear. And further "Fuel, whether in the vehicle or otherwise, as well as transporters or pit areas, will be checked for compliance with this rule...". And then specifically says that disqualification from the event and other penalties may be applied.

So I don't think the fact that the rule (as written) was broken is really in doubt. It's more about how it was handled, what the fine is, and so on.

 

[Alan]

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Thanks Bobby. Big surprise....NHRA is yet to respond.

 

[kingcobrafan]

Don S. has been quoted as saying that Compton told him his (Shoe's) nitro was legal. Now, if that never happened, why hasn't The Invisible Man come out and said as much?

 

[Tony]

Maybe the ones that believe in the tactics that NHRA takes to pad there pockets should leave and start their own organization ....H.....A....... let them fill in the dots.

Who at the NHRA is "padding there (sic) pockets" Jesse? If you're going to make a public accusation, let's hear some FACTS.

 

[shoe]

This is not the place for me to fight this fight so please understand that I am reluctant to post the reasons here. Feel free to call me at Schumacher Electric on Monday and I will explaine things. The number is 847-385-1600, my extension is 203

 

[d'kid]

Thank You Don

d'kid

 

[n/a]

Don,you are a class act and your teams are 1st class.Best of luck.

 

[The Counterfeiter]

This is not the place for me to fight this fight so please understand that I am reluctant to post the reasons here. Feel free to call me at Schumacher Electric on Monday and I will explaine things. The number is 847-385-1600, my extension is 203

WOW! - Thanks Shoe. Looking forward to this . . . will "Nitro Pete" be handling the overflow ? -

 

[Kelly]

OMG! Shoe, I appreciate the offer, but I refuse to bother you while you're 'at work'! Now, a few minutes at the track in Ennis and/or Vegas and I'm all over it!

 

[None]

Before I get my panties in a huge bunch, One thing from the ruling. Don has filed a final appeal as outlined in Section 1.8.7 of the NHRA Rulebook.

The thing about this that sounds JUST WRONG, is that the APPEALS COMMITEE WAS COMPRISED OF ALL NHRA EMPLOYEES. What the heck kind of Appeal is that? No Independant appeals officer? I've been around of alot appeals in Union and Non Union settings, in my jobs, and I have NEVER heard of this.

Kinda like an appeals hearing held by the Hussein family.

 

[Mooseman]

This is not the place for me to fight this fight so please understand that I am reluctant to post the reasons here. Feel free to call me at Schumacher Electric on Monday and I will explaine things. The number is 847-385-1600, my extension is 203

Havent seen you here in a while , good to see you back posting . Hope everything goings going good .

 

[kd]

Maybe the ones that believe in the tactics that NHRA takes to pad there pockets should leave and start their own organization ....H.....A....... let them fill in the dots.

1) Evan is very busy with tax man...
2) $hoe Doesn't Need Anyone'$ Help...
..................and............................
THE APPEAL IS BASED ON DSR HAVING HOMELAND SECURITY CLEARANCE... and WAS NOT in violation of the rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Update:wanted to include the dudes comments on evan helping don..wow!
attachment not as desired

 

[kd]

OH MY !!!! MY QUOTE AFTER DONS.............

What do YOU think of my comment DON????

FIGHT THE POWER!!!!! WE LUV YA AND ALL THATS RIGHT!
KD.!

 

[kd]

We are not getting the whole story, that is for sure! And making a decision on less than the full facts is always faltered.
The question in my mind has nothing to do with if they had in on the NHRA premises. He is a nitro dealer. He has full approval from Homeland Security, permits etc. He was transporting it back to Indiana by one of his transporters. There is no harm in that. The question is did he USE it? Ever?

A nitro crew chief stated it to me this way;
Let's get to the real question. Did they use their nitro in competition? If they did, did the fuel check at the end of the run ever see clear nitro? (Shoe stuff is clear.) If so, Big shame on the NHRA. They know better, yet turned a blind eye, establishing a precedence. Did a team use the nitro in question and color it to deceive the fuel check. Then shame on the team. They know better, and deserve every fine they will get.

I believe all nitro arrives clear, and dye is added by importer.
Im sure DSR has the coin for a tbsp. of dye!!!

 

[Tim5636sc]

This is not the place for me to fight this fight so please understand that I am reluctant to post the reasons here. Feel free to call me at Schumacher Electric on Monday and I will explaine things. The number is 847-385-1600, my extension is 203

Uh.... this number works folks... I've called it on several occasions! this is not a scott Griffen tactic!

Thx shoe! You know Kelly and I got Ur back!, oh and Loder and Martin Thomas, and a few other cool people!

Timmah!

 

[D]

BRAVO SIERRA....!!!! OOOOOHHHHH RAAAAAAAHHHH!!! Gotta love it "D"!

I was going to go with the full Monty, but I figured a little phonetic alphabet would spare the delicate sensibilities of the Glendora lurkers

S/F
D

 

[slicky]

Uh.... this number works folks... I've called it on several occasions! this is not a scott Griffen tactic!

Thx shoe! You know Kelly and I got Ur back!, oh and Loder and Martin Thomas, and a few other cool people!

Timmah!

There is something going on here . What ever it is , Don has an army of true friends behind him . I will hate to see what happens in the long run if these type of nhra actions continue . I would also hate to be on the other side of the table with the brilliance of DSR on the opposite side .

I say the DON will have them begging for mercy later . This man has enough class , courage , business sense , success , and fortitude to make anyone worry . I guess the 100,000 could be divided as severence checks . Lets see how this pans out . Bet you DSR laughs last .

All the teams better stand up to these a holes , there is strength in numbers . Lets see what happens when the countdown ( locked in drivers in order ) and a stand down at a certain event when everyone in the final 10 are expected to show and then they dont , they could not lose their position if they all did it . Then they could use that point system , countdown crap against the nhra at the same time . They would also save the precious nitro they seem to have created a situation with . Wonder what the television show and commentary would say then ? It would be a pretty sad but telling show about what the nhra has become . The fans need to see it , right ? Works for me .

The fans also have a say in this . I will not buy any more tickets until these bungholes are out of office for one thing . By the way , I buy alot for a very large corporation . To the tune of about 50 tickets per event for about half of the events from the begining to the end of the year . I will spend the companies money on golf outings and other leisures for my customers and employees instead .

SEE YA !