New RPM Rule Change In Pro Stock.

[ch streetcars]

A great question Chris thanks for asking - a friend of mine worked at Stack-On Products as a line supervisor and introduced me to its founder/owner/President Mr. John Lynn. Mr. Lynn was a very personable person interested in Motorsports. I presented him with a proposal and we negotiated a multi year contract. In addition I introduced Mr. Lynn to Mr. Orville Moe who was the owner of the now defunct AHRA and Spokane Raceway Park. Stack-On became a presenting sponsor at AHRA events. They provided complete tool box sets to the AHRA Champions as well as being the presenting sponsor for the English Leather Pageant held during the SEMA Show in Las Vegas. In closing you never know who is in a pit area for Mr. Lynn attended several races incognito to gauge the racers and spectators response to his product line and our Seyler Ford T/F car.

Holy pit crew distraction Chuck ! Hope everyone was focused on their jobs with them around the car. Both Barry Setzer from the Pat Foster days, and Jim Jannard who sponsored Scotty Cannon through Oakley , said they were influenced to sponsor the car , partly by how their kids were treated by the driver and crew, like you said , you never know how that person at the ropes could influence your racing operation, always be on best behavior to the public.

 

[twostep]

Too little, too late.
The limit should never have been implemented in the first place. Everybody and his brother knew the limit was going to kill the Mopars, yet NHRA put the limit in place anyway.

I've never quite understood this 'out to kill the Mopars' accusation, never mentioning the effect it had on the Ford PS engine which was virtually identical to the one used in the Dodges. Would it not have affected them too? You never hear much about NHRA trying to rid the class of Fords.

 

[CS]

To respond to comments about casting new Ford cylinder heads. I have the blueprints for our Seyler Boss head with squish chambers, relocated ports etc. Last year I thought about having patterns made and producing the heads. The pattern/mold cost was $ 50,000.00. I had an aero space foundry that we used previously quote castings. The cost as quoted for 356 aluminum heat treated to T-6 was $ 450.00 per head casting this included rotational casting (which would align the aluminum molecules making the casting almost as strong as a billet) and real-time radiography (RTR) - (we used RTR on all our parts in the past it x-rays the finished cast part to guarantee quality - no voids or defects). Minimum production run was 20 pairs of cylinder heads or $ 18,000.00. So with all the above said for approximately $ 68,000.00 someone could cast 20 pairs of heads. All they would need is either a head to copy or blueprints plus Ford's blessing and a part number to make the heads legal.

 

[GumbyWVU]

I've never quite understood this 'out to kill the Mopars' accusation, never mentioning the effect it had on the Ford PS engine which was virtually identical to the one used in the Dodges. Would it not have affected them too? You never hear much about NHRA trying to rid the class of Fords.

Agree, I've asked a couple times for info about the decline of the Ford program but haven't gotten much info yet. I'm curious too.

 

[GumbyWVU]

To respond to comments about casting new Ford cylinder heads. I have the blueprints for our Seyler Boss head with squish chambers, relocated ports etc. Last year I thought about having patterns made and producing the heads. The pattern/mold cost was $ 50,000.00. I had an aero space foundry that we used previously quote castings. The cost as quoted for 356 aluminum heat treated to T-6 was $ 450.00 per head casting this included rotational casting (which would align the aluminum molecules making the casting almost as strong as a billet) and real-time radiography (RTR) - (we used RTR on all our parts in the past it x-rays the finished cast part to guarantee quality - no voids or defects). Minimum production run was 20 pairs of cylinder heads or $ 18,000.00. So with all the above said for approximately $ 68,000.00 someone could cast 20 pairs of heads. All they would need is either a head to copy or blueprints plus Ford's blessing and a part number to make the heads legal.

Has Ford been resistant to give that blessing now or in the past?

 

[twostep]

Has Ford been resistant to give that blessing now or in the past?

Not only is blessing needed but so is actual support. But if that happened would it help? Fords and Dodges can compete right now with DRCE engines that most fans don't know about or care which tells me that the problem isn't limited to "Pro Camaro". NHRA could revise the rules to "500 CID, NA, 2350 pounds" - run whatcha brung otherwise - and I don't honestly believe it would change things much. FS has 3 manufacturers competing with corresponding brand-specific engines and it's not a big fan draw. Two of them aren't even built anymore. FSX's lightweight, 6-second 'big brother' class went nowhere. Comp Elim, hands down the most interesting class in my opinion, is a fraction of what it used to be.

I've always said that when you combine Sportsman classes with nitro classes at the same event, Sportsman by its very nature is going to get the really short end of the stick as far as the fans are concerned. Even Pro Mods and Top Alcohol send fans to the johns by the train load. No way to fix that other than to run them on separate days or at separate events and I don't know exactly how that would work, either.

Personally I like Pro Stock. Like it a lot. What's not to like about a 6.50/210mph doorslammer? But I'm afraid that after 56 years the class is fast approaching its expiration date. 'Tis what it is.

 

[Eracer]

Wondering if Alan Root ears perked up?

 

[CS]

Wondering if Alan Root ears perked up?

My understanding is that Alan sold everything to Trick Flow in 1985. He currently lives in Minden, Nevada running a new company called AR Performance, LLC. He’s building billet Coyote blocks he may be interested.

 

[Stan]

Chuck,

The M-6010-JC51 head is the one that Neff is using in COMP and it is a very nice piece. I think it would be the way to go if they can be had. But I don't know if or how you could get more of them cast.

Alan

The JC51 head was designed by Darin Morgan but most Pro Stock teams at the time seem to want to use the JC50.

Stan

 

[Stan]

Does anyone know if Charlie Westcott still has the Ford Pro Stock stuff?

Stan

 

[justafan]

Alan Prusiensky and Brandon Miller both in Dodges on the Entry List for Charlotte. Testing the waters?

2026 NHRA 4-Wide Nationals Entry List

 

[camaro]

Alan Prusiensky and Brandon Miller both in Dodges on the Entry List for Charlotte. Testing the waters?

2026 NHRA 4-Wide Nationals Entry List

'wonder if the NHRA will issue 'EBT Cards' to take advantage of the free 500RPMs

 

[ch streetcars]

To respond to comments about casting new Ford cylinder heads. I have the blueprints for our Seyler Boss head with squish chambers, relocated ports etc. Last year I thought about having patterns made and producing the heads. The pattern/mold cost was $ 50,000.00. I had an aero space foundry that we used previously quote castings. The cost as quoted for 356 aluminum heat treated to T-6 was $ 450.00 per head casting this included rotational casting (which would align the aluminum molecules making the casting almost as strong as a billet) and real-time radiography (RTR) - (we used RTR on all our parts in the past it x-rays the finished cast part to guarantee quality - no voids or defects). Minimum production run was 20 pairs of cylinder heads or $ 18,000.00. So with all the above said for approximately $ 68,000.00 someone could cast 20 pairs of heads. All they would need is either a head to copy or blueprints plus Ford's blessing and a part number to make the heads legal.

To respond to comments about casting new Ford cylinder heads. I have the blueprints for our Seyler Boss head with squish chambers, relocated ports etc. Last year I thought about having patterns made and producing the heads. The pattern/mold cost was $ 50,000.00. I had an aero space foundry that we used previously quote castings. The cost as quoted for 356 aluminum heat treated to T-6 was $ 450.00 per head casting this included rotational casting (which would align the aluminum molecules making the casting almost as strong as a billet) and real-time radiography (RTR) - (we used RTR on all our parts in the past it x-rays the finished cast part to guarantee quality - no voids or defects). Minimum production run was 20 pairs of cylinder heads or $ 18,000.00. So with all the above said for approximately $ 68,000.00 someone could cast 20 pairs of heads. All they would need is either a head to copy or blueprints plus Ford's blessing and a part number to make the heads legal.

Chuck, here are two possible scenarios for funding this Ford head; #1 get 680 Mater members to kick in just $100. each. Seyler-Mater head. #2 Alan Reinhart loves Pro-Stock and Ford, even though he is becoming a player in the Mopar e-body world. Alan puts up the 68k. The Al-Chuck head , or does Chuck-All sound better ? Kinda like Fred Mandoline's Bac Man Rat head.

 

[none]

The JC51 head was designed by Darin Morgan but most Pro Stock teams at the time seem to want to use the JC50.

Stan

I know that Darin was involved. didn't know to what extent.
And not arguing, just asking. How many had access to the JC 51?

I didn't know it existed until I saw Clint Neff set the MPH record in A/ED and went to talk to him about it. He sent me one to check out, and he is still the only person I know that has them.

The 50 is very similar to the MOPAR HEMI, the 51 is the next evolution. I'm not claiming to be a PS engine builder and don't for a minute think that I could build one to outrun anybody out there. But if I was going to try, I would try with the 51.

Alan

 

[none]

Chuck, here are two possible scenarios for funding this Ford head; #1 get 680 Mater members to kick in just $100. each. Seyler-Mater head. #2 Alan Reinhart loves Pro-Stock and Ford, even though he is becoming a player in the Mopar e-body world. Alan puts up the 68k. The Al-Chuck head , or does Chuck-All sound better ? Kinda like Fred Mandoline's Bac Man Rat head.

Sure, I'll kick in the cash, hey Chuck, would Ford let you put a part number on it? Or send me a couple of sets to play with? before I make the full investment?

Or, I would like to have a beer and learn more.

Alan

 

[ironpony]

Alan Prusiensky and Brandon Miller both in Dodges on the Entry List for Charlotte. Testing the waters?

2026 NHRA 4-Wide Nationals Entry List

If one of these guys was to qualify #1 NHRA would change the rule back before first round....................

 

[Rich D]

Everything you wanted to know about the JC50/51, from Darin Morgan's mouth. He is one of the most refreshing people to listen to, if you are into high-level induction tech.

 

[Stan]

If one of these guys was to qualify #1 NHRA would change the rule back before first round....................

For me if either of them was to just qualify at this or one of the next few races would be a surprise.

Stan

 

[GumbyWVU]

Alan Prusiensky and Brandon Miller both in Dodges on the Entry List for Charlotte. Testing the waters?

2026 NHRA 4-Wide Nationals Entry List

Ah, nice to see Prusiensky still out there.

 

[Rasn1320]

Ah, nice to see Prusiensky still out there.

He was behind quite a bit at his last race,hope he can move up,maybe 1000 rpm nhra