Five of the last seven posts there Don? Really?
I'm at a loss as to what your arguement is pressing?
Maybe you should re-read the thread before you post the next five of seven posts?
Nope, not looking for an argument...just someone to tell me where it has been written that Force fell into his championships.
That is probably true, yet he never won a race until that tuner came along either....
Don, the Doc is right. All you need to do is re-read this thread. That b/c Bernstein and Snake left Force won, that he never won until Coil came on, etc etc etc. There are tons of people on this board that think he's overrated. Whatever, thats there opinion. You need to do a search and I am sure you will find 1,000's of threads. Trust me, been here for a while, they are here.
Justin,
Did Jerrod re-open access to all the old threads from the previous NitroMater? Thousands of threads haven't been started yet on the new NitroMater, and maybe not even thousands of posts. I'm with Doc on this one, I don't recall seeing all that many negative posts about John Force, or any specifically stating he was overrated. Seems that he is WELL LOVED by many on this board. COLOR]
Here's the best example of all!
Whoa! It was written by yourself to boot!
Don, the Doc is right. All you need to do is re-read this thread. That b/c Bernstein and Snake left Force won, that he never won until Coil came on, etc etc etc. There are tons of people on this board that think he's overrated. Whatever, thats there opinion. You need to do a search and I am sure you will find 1,000's of threads. Trust me, been here for a while, they are here.
Kurt, apparently either I am reading this thread wrong or everyone else is. You said you agree with Doc but not me. The Doc and I agree. Your confusing me. We both said they are here. Maybe not here on the new mater except for this thread but on the old one, there were tons.
Justin,
Sorry for the confusion on my part. Yes, both you and Doc/Bobby Miller are insinuating that many on the NitroMater are stating that John Force is over-rated. I guess I missed all the threads about that in the old NitroMater. I really did not see that many people knocking John, but I'll take your word for it. I was just as confused by your statement about searching through all the old threads when we no longer have access to them. If this is the only thread about that on the new NitroMater, then I don't think even this thread is knocking John that much. Most of the people who you feel are knocking John are stating that he may not be that good without Austin Coil primarily, and probably Bernie Fedderly as well. I think that is a valid statement. John has had such a good car for so long that it has helped him immensely to know that when he goes up to the line, he can concentrate on cutting a light without always worrying about his tuneup and whether it will hold or not. John almost NEVER blows the tires instantly, but will further down the track quite often, but that gives him the ability to pedal it and he is very good at that. And yes, maybe the fact that Kenny Bernstein and Don Prudhomme left FC to go Top Fuel racing did help as well. Still, there were quite a number of challengers to his throne over the 10 straight years he won the championship, and the rest as they say is history!
I did not insinuate Force fell into his championships, he just took advantage of a void (FC was in a slight decline ~1990) and moved to the next level.
A lot of life is about being in the right place at the right time. Chuck Yeager will tell you he broke the sound barrier because he happened to be there at the right time. There's a veritable plethora of examples of people achieving success because of timing. Conversely, there are examples of people who failed to achieve success because of timing...
I think John's championship run is a perfect example of that. Is it John's fault? No, absolutely not. Did he accomplish what he did because of his driving skills or Coil's tuning? Both. I've read this thread at various stages of its development & it's bounced around a little, but the bottom line is that regardless of "pure driving talent" no driver can win without a talented tuner & no talented tuner can win without a good driver - it's really quite simple.
They both went out on the Match Racing Circuit and raced on every surface in every condition known to mankind. Coil collected all the tuning data along the way while John gained valuable experience in the cockpit - that's teamwork @ its finest.
Does that make John over-rated? Not in my mind.
Steve Evans, Dave Mac, and Diamond P !!! Man those were the days!!!I think the late Steve Evans helped bring John along by just lettin' him go nuts. He enjoyed those crazy interviews as much as anybody & it showed. He had a way of kinda lettin' John outta his shell so to speak.![]()
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Of course Steve helped a lot of drivers, & the whole NHRA organization, along the way as far as I'm concerned. A lot of folks wouldn't be where they are today if it weren't for him. I miss him on every show.
RIP................."HIP"