Hood scoops are back in Pro Stock! (12 Viewers)

[SoCal Racer]

How about a F/SS engine in a current p
PS chassis? Those motors all make similar horsepower as a 500 ci motor.
2350 lbs current slicks and a 5 speed manual

Well we almost had that with FX, but NHRA screwed that up....

 

[Nunz]

I listened to Richard Freeman and I'm pretty sure the racers will have the option to run with or without a scoop.

 

[ironpony]

How about a F/SS engine in a current p
PS chassis? Those motors all make similar horsepower as a 500 ci motor.
2350 lbs current slicks and a 5 speed manual

Allen Johnson was trying to sell that idea way back and everyone boo hooed him for it.

 

[SoCal Racer]

That’s not been the case in the entire history of pro stock.
There have been countless rules changes that adversely affected the Mopars and Fords, but never the GMs.
The final straw were the RPM limit and the fuel change.
Everybody and his brother knew the Mopars were done at that point.

That's because it (no rules changes negatively affecting GM) became the race to mediocrity rather than superiority. But that's the nature of the beast - if you can't elevate one, you have to bring the others down. It could be argued that in the earliest days of PS that both Mopar and Ford - prior to weight breaks - were far ahead of the GMs and was why the rules changes went into effect "to create parity" before that was a catch phrase. But those were cars built with factory blocks and heads, and as the rules package relaxed restrictions on those requirements it helped GM become competitive. Today everything is aftermarket and most of the NA development over the past few decades has been on the GM-based platform, so everyone just rents one of those and throws it in a Camaro. The Brandon Millers, Alan Prusienskys, and Joe Wilczeks of the world have an uphill battle (Larry Morgan too, when he had the Ford) - yet I applaud their persistence while getting little or no factory support.

 

[ironpony]

That's because it (no rules changes negatively affecting GM) became the race to mediocrity rather than superiority. But that's the nature of the beast - if you can't elevate one, you have to bring the others down. It could be argued that in the earliest days of PS that both Mopar and Ford - prior to weight breaks - were far ahead of the GMs and was why the rules changes went into effect "to create parity" before that was a catch phrase. But those were cars built with factory blocks and heads, and as the rules package relaxed restrictions on those requirements it helped GM become competitive. Today everything is aftermarket and most of the NA development over the past few decades has been on the GM-based platform, so everyone just rents one of those and throws it in a Camaro. The Brandon Millers, Alan Prusienskys, and Joe Wilczeks of the world have an uphill battle (Larry Morgan too, when he had the Ford) - yet I applaud their persistence while getting little or no factory support.

in before anyone else.,,,,,,,,,,

that was the 60's-70's are you ever going to let it go ?????????????

NO

 

[GumbyWVU]

if they are done, i'm not surprised. I'm guessing They poured more money into pro Stock, than anyone has ever and yet came up nil!

well that's a shame because they seemed to really start coming on some last year, and I think were on the verge of something very good.

 

[GumbyWVU]

One would be favorable and they would all progress over to it or if it wound up between brands, well we know how that would end. However there is only one brand now so...................

I know....I've wanted to see more variety too, wasn't bad in the 80s early 90s.

 

[GumbyWVU]

I listened to Richard Freeman and I'm pretty sure the racers will have the option to run with or without a scoop.

It would be interesting to see how adding a scoop will affect things, weight wise and aero-wise.

 

[TSK]

But that's the nature of the beast - if you can't elevate one, you have to bring the others down.

Talk about rewarding mediocrity of the GMs.
“Everybody gets a trophy.”

 

[Litefoot]

But is Chevys presence because Chevy is involved, or because the Camaro body is supposedly the most aerodynamic? I’ve heard from several people that the Mustang body is just as aerodynamic if not better, but I’ve also been told there isn’t enough proof with those cars to justify a switch when the Camaro is more than proven. In a class that is as close as Pro Stock and Pro Mod, you don’t want to give yourself any disadvantage by running a body that’s less aerodynamic. And as far as the get a life comment, everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you have always went to an ice cream shop and had several different flavors, then they start only having one flavor, you’re gonna get tired of that ice cream shop and the same flavor over and over. That’s Pro Stock in its current form.

thank you

 

[Litefoot]

GM Performance has provided crucial support to teams developing the naturally aspirated engines. Add the direct support kb has gotten from Chevy in the past, name me another manufacturer willing and ready to put that kind of investment in the class? The class has put out amazing racing with a sole manufacturer. Maybe instead of wanting the good old days back let's get a life and appreciate what we have

Like the NHRA making rules that keep mopar motors from being competive

 

[My Name]

Is the rule that you can put any engine in any approved body still in effect?
Like the Cuadra's Mustangs.

 

[ironpony]

Is the rule that you can put any engine in any approved body still in effect?
Like the Cuadra's Mustangs.

As far as I know yes, IIRC they were running a DRCE last year

 

[Marchboom]

With Chevrolet being the official truck of the NHRA, making rules that favors Chevy is a non-brainer.

Why would Ford and Mopar put any effort into race engine R&D if they know NHRA rules will make it impossible for their cars to have a chance of winning?

 

[Funnycarfanatic]

Like the NHRA making rules that keep mopar motors from being competive

We heard the same conspiracy theories about Toyota in nitro because of sponsor dollars they were bringing in. If Mopar and Ford wanted they could run a competitive pro stocker. The truth is neither brand wants to.

 

[My Name]

Darin Morgan had the Ford running well in the Neff/Clack Comp Elim dragster.
But without any money or support from Ford, You would have to hate your own money!
Factory support goes a long way.

As far as the rpm limit to cut costs, the teams will spend it elsewhere IMO. I think that's what Nhra claimed for the rpm limit years ago.
Sometimes I wear a tinfoil hat

 

[Litefoot]

We heard the same conspiracy theories about Toyota in nitro because of sponsor dollars they were bringing in. If Mopar and Ford wanted they could run a competitive pro stocker. The truth is neither brand wants to.

I guess you didn’t see when the NHRA PUT A RPM LIMIT ON ALL MOTORS that killed the MOPAR horse power range that needed more rpm to make its horsepower, what A coincidence the chevys couldn’t use or need that for their tune up, so no they can’t compete if they want to, NHRA will find another way to keep them from beating competive, masking rpm rules that clearly take away an engines power range is not a level playing field, pro CAMARO is boing as would be pro MUSTANGE, pro MOPAR, the class was meant to be factory hot rods with motors that matched the manufacturers production, if GM is so behind pro stock why did they kill the CAMARO?

 

[Mustang]

With Chevrolet being the official truck of the NHRA, making rules that favors Chevy is a non-brainer.

It's kinda cool how NHRA is only biased in one class and allows every other class from super stock to FSS to FC to be run whatcha brung lol

 

[Litefoot]

It's kinda cool how NHRA is only biased in one class and allows every other class from super stock to FSS to FC to be run whatcha brung lol

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Ya, figure that one out, doesn’t make sense to me

 

[ironpony]

We heard the same conspiracy theories about Toyota in nitro because of sponsor dollars they were bringing in. If Mopar and Ford wanted they could run a competitive pro stocker. The truth is neither brand wants to.

So what factory 8 cylinder 500 CI Toyota engine did they choose to run, LOL.