I guess I don't have a problem with the "dive(s)" but don't come on here with statments about what a bad deal it is and how it will never happen again etc. I realize he can't admit to it but he should have never said anything if he wasn't commited to what he said. Me thinks the man talks out of both sides of his mouth just like he did with the nitro deal a few years ago.
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Diving lessons?
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Funny, you guys who are crying about this are the same ones who were supporting it when it was Force doing it. Much like Force said about Indy, prove it. It's not like a driver cut a .250 light and drove it straight to the wall. No one can say for sure it was a dive, is it suspicious, absolutely. The only smoking gun is the lane choice in the semis. Since no one has asked Don or John Collins about why they picked that lane, we are all speculating. Is there a rule saying you can only choose a particular lane? lol, I didn't think so. So I end it this way, if it was ok for Force to do it, why not Don? Diving sucks, period, I don't care which team does it, but it's the reality of the sport today.
You are the biggest apologist for DSR there is, and the first to fire shots at Force when he does this crap.
Force does it = Bad!
DSR does it = It's a business. Its all speculation. Force fans are crying.
Look, the man lied to you and everyone else and said his teams always race straight up. We now know that to be a falsehood.
legendman
Nitro Member
You might want to double check, Don is worth about 5 times what Connie is
I guess you can't read, not shocked, I said all diving sucks and I don't like it. I did say that if it was ok for Force to do it, why not Don? At the time he made that statement did he lie? Could have sworn that was last year and he wasn't asked that question on Sunday.
I can read just fine. And, I know you defend everything that comes out of his mouth when everyone who saw what happened go down realizes it isn't that way.
Face it, he has become the team that does what you call out Force for doing. And you want it to be ok. And until you call him out for it like you do Force on a regular basis, you will always be a hypocrite because of it.
Cool, thanks for that, I am honored you would think I am a hypocrite! What you would like me to call him that will make you and your ego feel better?
Funny, way back in Sept of 2012, you posted this little gem:
Give it up because you and Mike say it's old? I think not, if it bothers you ignore it. When a team actually races heads up like we saw yesterday I will support them. When there's a blatant dive (Indy 09 for example), I will continue to say I don't support that.
Funny, it went from "I don't support that" to "It's the reality of the sport", based on who did it.
Obviously, you think when Force does it, it isn't the reality of the sport today. And you continue to call him out on it. But you have yet to call out DSR for it. So, just what, if you don't like the word hypocrite, should people think about your thoughts on the two issues? Why is it that you can come on here and make all sorts of claims about JFR diving, but when DSR does it, its speculation. And you give the benefit of doubt to DSR and say that nobody asked Collins or DS about it, but you didn't bother to ask any crew chiefs from JFR or John himself before you labeled things a dive.
I'd say me using the word hypocrite is pretty spot on.
I didn't see a blatant dive (Indy 09) did you (horrible R/T and a immediate turn to the wall)? I saw some questionable actions that could mean a dive occurred. Like I said back in 2012 and now, I don't support blatant diving. The hypocrite thing goes both ways, I see plenty of Force fans here piling it on with this saying how horrible it is that Don would have done this. If one team is going to do it to win a title, the competition would be foolish to give that team that type of an advantage. In 2 years opinions can change based on the current environment and dynamics of the sport and people indeed change their views based on this. You should know all about "CHANGE". lol Don't you have a global warming rally to organize?
Why you gotta go make this personal Paul? Is it because you hold the keys of who can and cannot post here?
What's personal? Just making a generalized statement, sorry if that struck a nerve.
Keep telling yourself that Mein Furher.
FABMAN
Nitro Member
Like you say it's just my opinion, i don't have any qualification and don't need any just a fan that wants to see a real race not something fabricated. Don't have to worry about being in that situation but if I were it would be stated in the sponsor contract that at no time will there be orders for a team to lay down so another could win. That's because I am very committed person and will always protect the integrity of the sport.
FABMAN
Nitro Member
I'm not sure where i fit into this post but i pretty much agree with what you say.
Bullard Anderson
Nitro Member
All I wish to say is I don't buy into the team concept at DSR. Some do. Some do with JFR. I have one driver. It's Ron Capps vs the other 15. On Raceday if 3 DSR cars make it to the semi's and RC gets beat in first round, it sucks. Period. Especially when I've driven 3hrs to Bristol or ATL, or just up the road to Charlotte. Frankly I wish the sport was strong enough to have a 2 car limit per owner and 5 FC's were DNQing each week. Okay, that's all.
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RickyD
Nitro Member
I personally witnessed the Seattle debacle and didn't mind so much until the denials. I understand why they do it but the origin of the problem lies entirely with the sanctioning body by allowing multiple car teams and then telling them they can't dive or forfeit. The sponsors are just getting abused through no fault of their own unless they condone the diving. NHRA would say "but the fans pay to watch a race". YAA.DUHH. I would rather see a no show forfeit and a good run by the winner than be treated as if we are just "stupid fans" which is apparently NHRA thinks we are.
glofria
Nitro Member
Taking the best angle to position yourself to win a championship. The game within a game.
Nevertheless, from the observer POV, when 2 go in and 1 moves on with the other one going home, it sucks when both are unable to put forth their best effort.
On the other hand, had JF been able to put himself in a better position going into the Finals, say not going out in 1st rounds (I don't know when cause I don't follow that closely), then it wouldn't have mattered. JFR put themselves in the position they were in. As did DSR with Hagen.
Congratulations to the Matt Hagen team.
Nevertheless, from the observer POV, when 2 go in and 1 moves on with the other one going home, it sucks when both are unable to put forth their best effort.
On the other hand, had JF been able to put himself in a better position going into the Finals, say not going out in 1st rounds (I don't know when cause I don't follow that closely), then it wouldn't have mattered. JFR put themselves in the position they were in. As did DSR with Hagen.
Congratulations to the Matt Hagen team.
vegasnitro
Nitro Member
That would mean the Don is worth 4 billion plus. I doubt that.
Connie owns more 747s than anyone else (including airlines and other cargo outfits) on the planet. I am also reasonably sure I read he bought the 747 simulator from Boeing, so anyone wanting to get typed on that aircraft has to go through Connie (Kalitta Air).
Bingo! I can assure you mr smith weenie don would have to take out a loan to pay Connie's annual taxes but that's not the point. The point with don in my opinion is that he seems to whine when things don't go his way. Look at his past statements and complaints, you can youtube it. Nhra does need his participation and I think he really does have great race teams however it's obvious that he can't stand force and the fact that force has the respect of the vast majority of nhra fans just upsets him and it's very obvious. Look at what he did when Alan left him he was not very gracious are grateful. Tony seemed much more grateful and gracious about the situation and the reality is there would be no dsr as we know it today without alan.
