Again I ask, you make one sponsor happy at the risk of losing the others and all the stars have to line up to make this possible during the last race. If that were the case, this would have to be going on since Charlotte and you would be fixing it so the biggest potential $$$ end up the champ not just the one that is closest at the last race.
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Diving lessons?
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And your statement above is the reason it probably didn't happen!!! Coincidence, yes. Conspiracy, no!
You are being short sighted. No, the stars don't have to align. But, when you are dealt the cards, and then you play them out the way they were played this weekend, you can't use the "we race straight up every round" line any more.
You are foolish if you think think those two rounds in question were run legit.
Well if that is true, then not 1, but 2 colleagues (and friends) that I respect and trust the most in this sport were in on it. That would ruin everything I love about this sport and cause me never to trust anyone or anything with this sport again. And that might just ruin me. That is all I have left to say on this subject!
Nope. But did any of them say, on multiple occasions, that they race heads up, no team orders, after being caught doing it?
Huge
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Since this is just another reach up and grab a hand full of crap thead i think i will put my gloves on and sling some also. I'm just curious why Tommy D would smoke the tires after that car ran a 4.02 and 4.01? " just kidding"
But, my real question is...where are all of the fans that said Dickie wouldn't be up to the task of tuning a Schumacher funny car after he left Tasca? And, where are all the fans that said the Don should can Mike Green during their testing phase? I think i would turn the lights out and sit in the dark too.
But, my real question is...where are all of the fans that said Dickie wouldn't be up to the task of tuning a Schumacher funny car after he left Tasca? And, where are all the fans that said the Don should can Mike Green during their testing phase? I think i would turn the lights out and sit in the dark too.
TooTall999
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It all comes down to the golden rule: He who has the gold makes the rules. DSR had one car in the battle and two pawns available to sacrifice to make sure the contender won.
And he better not say a word next year when other team cars dive. Not. A. Single. Word.
I was NITRO BREATH
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Doubt that the don will chime in to set the record straight cause the record is on tape for all to see.
If he and alan dont think its worth posting here thats fine. Personaly i think the discussion that is taking place here on diving in pomona is one of the best we have had in a long time. I hope that NHRA, don schumacher, john force, graham light, ron capps, tommy johnson, and alan rhinehart are reading our comments. AND if they have something to say and they dont want to say it here let them use another venue to tell us their side of the story. Cause this subject is too important for them to ignore!!
Dave
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I know the real story. It's ALL a conspiracy. The ladder wasn't shaping up very well for DSR going into the 4th session... as it stood, John and Matt would have a potential round 2 matchup to decide the title head to head. DSR went over to Tommy Delago and said hey... can you put that 3.99 setup in Alexis' car and shuffle the order a bit for us? We really need all the help we can get. Then they made sure Hagan and Capps didn't improve their times, and everyone else smoked the tires. Whew. Step one complete! Now they went over to Chad Head.. Hey, we need you to put that thing way over center and get us to round 2, we've already got Tony Pedregon and Jeff Arend doing the same for us. Perfect! Step 2 complete! Ron just be ready, it's gonna blitz the tires about 100 foot out. Oh and Del.. man I know you really had a hell of a pass round 1. Can you be just late enough that TJ hold you off by .0001 at the stripe? We can't make this shit look obvious! Oh that was amazing. Step 3 complete! Ok now TJ you just ran 4.06 in the right lane... Tony just won with a .77 at 328mph.. Antron lost but he had a .74.. That lane is makes perfect sense to be in, but let's just put a .02 setup in her and see what happens! Good grief it smoked the tires! Now we just need John not to run a 4.00 in that lane, which should be fine because we just tried to and it can't be done. That's it, we won! Good job everyone in the funny car field for following our plans!
Get real folks. DSR did not manipulate the results, and if you feel they did then hate JFR for not shuffling the order and letting the ladder shape up that way.
Get real folks. DSR did not manipulate the results, and if you feel they did then hate JFR for not shuffling the order and letting the ladder shape up that way.
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Actually Barry, unless there is something out there that leads me to believe differently, the two people involved in all of this that I actually feel bad for are TJjr and Capps. Unless, and this is a huge unless, they are the ones that came up with the idea. They were given cars that couldn't win, and then asked to go out and preform a role. An act. A sham. Same for John Collins. I doubt he said too much to the contrary when the idea was dumped on him about what he was going to do in the 3rd rd.
TJ had a much better car than Hagan, and so did Capps. They had cars that easily could have won the race. They had that opportunity taken away from them.
I am not sure how I feel about Hagan's role in it. He knew (I am sure) that this was all being scripted for his benefit. As for the rest of the people involved (owner and crew chiefs) what respect I used to have (which, frankly was just damn near zero anyway) is completely gone.
TJ had a much better car than Hagan, and so did Capps. They had cars that easily could have won the race. They had that opportunity taken away from them.
I am not sure how I feel about Hagan's role in it. He knew (I am sure) that this was all being scripted for his benefit. As for the rest of the people involved (owner and crew chiefs) what respect I used to have (which, frankly was just damn near zero anyway) is completely gone.
TooTall999
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DSR manipulated the things that were under their control. Namely Ron Capp's and TJ' tune ups. Also why would TJ's team take the lesser lane? It was too obvious and predictable to NOT be planned.
my friends call me Zappy
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No we don't want to limit number of cars per team. We have trouble filling fields now at some races. Besides that would not stop dives.
It cannot be enforced anyway, so drop the rule. Leave the car in the pits, explain that the other driver is getting a bye run.
It cannot be enforced anyway, so drop the rule. Leave the car in the pits, explain that the other driver is getting a bye run.
my friends call me Zappy
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Thankyou JW
yoda
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Did anyone here truly think Hagan wasn't going rounds?
I hope everyone here realizes that the odds of Hagan coming up against a teammate on his side of the ladder was pretty high. You know- the teammates that WERENT going to help the team pocket a half million dollars.
I truly love how many armchair millionaires are on this board... Like anyone would think that they wouldn't have a strategy for being in the best possible place to put that check in their pocket...
I hope everyone here realizes that the odds of Hagan coming up against a teammate on his side of the ladder was pretty high. You know- the teammates that WERENT going to help the team pocket a half million dollars.
I truly love how many armchair millionaires are on this board... Like anyone would think that they wouldn't have a strategy for being in the best possible place to put that check in their pocket...
I was NITRO BREATH
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Greg--Agree about capps and tj
Jimbo
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When I was about 13 or 14 years old I would always beg one of the guys to take me to the local drag strip on Sunday's to watch the guys match racing.
Every Sunday they some really big shows with all the top guys back in the 60's but it was not until years later I became aware that those races were also decided before the start of the race.
One guy told me he never liked doing it but the problem was the promoter would simply say look I book shows all over the country and if you want to be part of the show this is the way it is going to be.
I am not saying they all did it this way because there were guy's who would not follow the promoters orders but they also found themselves on the outside looking in.
Jim Hill
http://www.nostalgicracingdecals.com
Every Sunday they some really big shows with all the top guys back in the 60's but it was not until years later I became aware that those races were also decided before the start of the race.
One guy told me he never liked doing it but the problem was the promoter would simply say look I book shows all over the country and if you want to be part of the show this is the way it is going to be.
I am not saying they all did it this way because there were guy's who would not follow the promoters orders but they also found themselves on the outside looking in.
Jim Hill
http://www.nostalgicracingdecals.com
