Controversial sponsorship (1 Viewer)

[Nitrohaulic]

I would say that my morals mean more to me than money.

No offense to you, that's your decision.

Well, see? There's both sides. Just because I don't agree with something doesn't mean I think you shouldn't have a legal company for a sponsor. There's political sponsors I wouldn't have because they'd violate my morals. It wouldn't bother me a bit if someone else had them.

 

[Nitrohaulic]

>>>How many non-smokers had no problem with Winston Drag Racing?
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Certainly not me. Maybe I'm a poor judge though. I still believe there smoking ought to be allowed in bars and restaurants if the business owner provides a reasonable accomodations. There's no choice in CT. It's worse in NY

That said, I think smoking is a "stinking" habit. I think it is appropriate (and defensible) that smokers be charged more $$ for life and health insurance as a result of their informed choice.

How about New Jersey? They just banned smoking in all businesses EXCEPT CASINOS! I guess the message there is how important your lungs are as an employee depends on how much money the state makes off of the place where you're working!

 

[Shan]

I'm not real familiar with how sponsorships work. Can NHRA regulate the design or presentation of a sponsor? Thus keeping it "tasteful"? I can get pretty creative with explanations to my daughters of what something is but I can't always explain a picture, a girls attire, etc...

Dave, read this article. Maybe that will answer the question.
NHRA Kiss-off Stirs Brothel Brouhaha

This is the advertisement NHRA refused to let Gilbertson have on his car at Bristol, 2003. Doesn't appear too untasteful, IMO.

The lady owns this brothel in Nevada, and she paid or was going to pay Gilbertson $25,000 to have her ad on his car for that race. NHRA said no. This is after they allowed him to have a smaller eight-inch sticker paid for by the same lady for $10,000 at the Houston race just a few weeks before. This is the last paragraph of that article:

"Cummins said she can't understand what she perceives as hypocrisy. Naturally, she wants (ahem) exposure for her brothel, and she contends her signs at the Houston and Bristol races were in good taste. However, she offered to alter the business name on the sticker and to make her website a G-rated one focused on Gilbertson and his accomplishments. "I'm flexible. Are you?" she asked Light. He told Cummins, "It's nothing personal. You seem like a nice lady. You know our position. Our position isn't going to change." "​

 

[Kelly]

That caught me too, I almost voted for all the things I didn't want to vote for.

I caught that as well. I wonder how many voted opposite because of the wording.

 

[Jenn]

As far as the NRA, I don't really know enough about what that assocation does to make a judgement.

 

[Shan]

I caught that as well. I wonder how many voted opposite because of the wording.

Awww! You guys are killing me. LOL! It asks in plain English, Should NHRA prohibit... yes or no?

 

[Shan]

1995
Driver: Tate Branch
Class: TA/FC
Sponsor: The Men's Club

 

[Kelly]

Awww! You guys are killing me. LOL! It asks in plain English, Should NHRA prohibit... yes or no?

lol....I wasn't slamming you. I simply meant I misread it at first......and figured others did as well.

 

[JL]

I misread it myself... I used to screw up in school by doing the same thing... READ the question Levitte!

 

[Rajunz]

From looking at the poll, most are all for Sex and Drinking, just against Shooting Guns!


I find that this is a great response............

I'm anti censorship, that's what off buttons, channel changers and responsible parents are for, Big Brother shouldn't have to do everything for you.

I strongly agree except that as a parent I have no control from the stands of what my child can see. I can choose to NOT take them to a Hooters or regulate a TV show but I can't control what they see at an event. Yes I do have control over what events I take them to but I would hate to think that I could not take them to a race due to questionable material on the track. I admit that I am "on gaurd" when I take them through the pits and I avoid situations that I don't feel are appropriate.
I'm not real familiar with how sponsorships work. Can NHRA regulate the design or presentation of a sponsor? Thus keeping it "tasteful"? I can get pretty creative with explanations to my daughters of what something is but I can't always explain a picture, a girls attire, etc...

I must admit, 10 years ago I got together with my wife, her daughter was 7. After 10 years of raising a daughter, my views have definitely changed in what I feel is appropriate compared to what I felt before having a girl.

 

[DrRocket]

I must admit, 10 years ago I got together with my wife, her daughter was 7. After 10 years of raising a daughter, my views have definitely changed in what I feel is appropriate compared to what I felt before having a girl.

Yep! It's amazing what having a kid or kids will do to your sensibilities. As much as I enjoyed the raucus days in the zoo at Brainerd in "the good ole days" there's NO WAY I would have taken any of my sons there during their "tender" years.

 

[Jenn]

Rich, you make a very valid point. When Big Jim was sponsored by Penthouse, I didn't think it was a bad thing. If you didn't know what Penthouse was, you would never guess that it was an adult magazine based upon their signage What I mean is that if my daughter had read it, she wouldn't know. Now if they had pictures on the car, that would be tasteless. I guess it is a fine line for me.

In Alburquerque there is an adult store called the "Newstand".

I think it was my aunt who went in there because she thought she could find the NY Times.

 

[Nitrohaulic]

I think you can take this both ways. Some businesses that are morally way over the line for a lot of people intentionally try to keep a low profile.

On the other hand, a late but very creative and enterprising grocer from the Knoxville, TN area had a morning bluegrass show in the 70s in which he would occasionally look over at an older lady and ask her on camera if he didn't have the biggest nuts in town, to which she would always agree!

http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/imagegallery.php?EntryID=W004

 

["Dr. Dirt"]

First, I believe I voted exactly back-wards due to the "prohibit" issue.

I feel this whole thing is a moral issue and for the most part morals are becoming less and less important to our modern society. I'm very religious and don't see where a brothel that openly encourages immorality or adultery has a place in business much less in front of my grandchildren when I take them to the races. I put strip clubs right next to them.
Planned Parenthood is the most blatant oxymoron ever! It should be named "Stealth Abortion Services."

These questions are a no-brainer for me. They are probably no-brainers (for the most part) for anyone who openly express the need for morals in society.

The others are organizations serving their membership and, as I see them, they provide a positive public service for those members as well as many others collaterally. They certainly wouldn't offend me with my little ones.

 

[BB]

From looking at the poll, most are all for Sex and Drinking, just against Shooting Guns!

I'm against other people shooting guns, but I'm keeping mine.

 

[Dave]

From looking at the poll, most are all for Sex and Drinking, just against Shooting Guns!

I'm against other people shooting guns, but I'm keeping mine.

Too funny... I'm keeping mine also.

There are too many good replies to quote them all. I just simply think we have to draw some lines at some point. Take wrestling for example (I'm NOT a fan). That has become such garbage with all the sexual content. I flip channels and see all these young teenagers and pre teens in the audience watching simulated sex acts, nudity, launguage, etc... It's unbelievable! What's worse is seeing dad sitting next to them!

I'm sorry to be so long winded but this thread hits close to home for me. I LOVE taking my kids and my girlfriend to the races. I KNOW drag racing isn't wrestling! Maybe I'm being a bit over dramatic but I just think we need to maintain some controls to keep thing from getting out of hand. Freedoms (of speech, expression, etc...) and our rights are absolutely precious but I think we just have to be careful in how far we take them. I'll climb down of my soap box...

 

[Shan]

This thread turned out to have a lot more discussion than I anticipated. I've enjoyed reading everyone's posts. I just wanted to add that I didn't choose any of the examples for any reason other than I was trying to think of companies or organizations that might be controversial. And those were a few I could think of that would even be logical as a potential sponsor.

Denny, LOL @ the Gatorade comment. I actually almost listed that just to see what people would say.

Another one I thought of is what if OJ Simpson offered "Joe Racer" $2 million next year, but one of the stipulations is "OJ Simpson" had to be plastered down the side of the car? Would that be something you think NHRA should allow or prohibit? And I know that's kind of a stretch of imagination. It's just another example.

 

[Jenn]

Another one I thought of is what if OJ Simpson offered "Joe Racer" $2 million next year, but one of the stipulations is "OJ Simpson" had to be plastered down the side of the car? Would that be something you think NHRA should allow or prohibit? And I know that's kind of a stretch of imagination. It's just another example.

Oh, I am ALL for him trying to find Nicole and her boyfriends murderer. That's all he's trying to do.

 

[d'kid]

I can't say I was to disappointed to see Hooter's quit as a sponsor of IHRA's championship series for exactly this very reason. I enjoy sharing my love of drag racing with my kids but a Hooter's girl is not exactly what I have in mind for my 13yr old daughter to aspire too. To have the girls parading around didn't really send out a message I wanted my daughter to pick up on.

I also kind of felt it cheapend IHRA's image a bit as a professional series. I think to bring on some of the "adult" companies mentioned in this topic would do the same to the NHRA.

Okay, I'm getting the taste here that Hooter's Girls are not 'nice' girls. Guess what, they are the kids that went to school with my kids... Several of the girls that work at the Hooters on Military Hwy here in Norfolk are going to ODU or Norfolk State... It's a bloody job.

I saw not one thing listed that I would not be proud to sponsor me... I'd love to see Jim Beam on the side of a drag car, I use their product, responsibility.

But, lighten up on the working girls, please.

 

[ozfuel]

One thing I've always wondered about "sponsorship".
What if I'm an independant racer, self funded, but my name happens to be Pete Winston or Joe Camel. If my purple and yellow FC with Camel Inc down the sides...... you get the idea.
Now what does NHRA make me do ???
Re-paint the car ? change my name by deed poll ?
Quitely "suggest" I should race IHRA ?(they seem a bit more tollerant over there ).
Talk about a can of worms .......

Mark.