ARE things better "Over There???"

[Rexfiles]

Here's one for ya' John


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071015184546.avefmhtd&show_article=1

 

[HEMI6point1]

Come on Rex, we know dental work is not one of the UK's strong suits.

 

[Toejam]

Come on Rex, we know dental work is not one of the UK's strong suits.

Or Russia's!

 

[The Mighty]

I still don't understand why there is this US preoccupation with British dental health. I've honestly seen far more people in the US with teeth missing or half rotted away than I've ever seen here. Would be interesting to know if those posting such drivel have ever visited the UK since 1895, or if they have been sat in their rocking chair on their front porch, chewing tobacco and picking banjo, while getting fat and slowy dessicating in the sun since then.

There is a huge choice of dental heathcare providers in the UK that are very well used with choices between either NHS funded or privately funded practises. Since the deregulation of the NHS dental system it has been harder to find a practise who will take you on the NHS system, but it is more than possible if you're willing to travel 15 miles or so. Private may be more expensive, but in general, you get what you pay for.

The 6% of those who choose to treat themselves are most likely those with minor problems who buy the medication they need for things like gum disorders over the counter from a pharmacy, rather than pay to see a local private dentist when there is no real need. I doubt very much that anyone would resort to self extraction due to not having a nearby NHS dentist. If a local practise was unavailable for something like an extraction, the local hospital A&E department will usually have a dental surgeon on call anyway, so I can't see why there would ever be a need for such ridiculous actions. More likely that they pulled it themselves because they're a bit chicken when it comes to needles.

CP

 

[Rexfiles]

I still don't understand why there is this US preoccupation with British dental health. I've honestly seen far more people in the US with teeth missing or half rotted away than I've ever seen here. Would be interesting to know if those posting such drivel have ever visited the UK since 1895, or if they have been sat in their rocking chair on their front porch, chewing tobacco and picking banjo, while getting fat and slowy dessicating in the sun since then.

There is a huge choice of dental heathcare providers in the UK that are very well used with choices between either NHS funded or privately funded practises. Since the deregulation of the NHS dental system it has been harder to find a practise who will take you on the NHS system, but it is more than possible if you're willing to travel 15 miles or so. Private may be more expensive, but in general, you get what you pay for.

The 6% of those who choose to treat themselves are most likely those with minor problems who buy the medication they need for things like gum disorders over the counter from a pharmacy, rather than pay to see a local private dentist when there is no real need. I doubt very much that anyone would resort to self extraction due to not having a nearby NHS dentist. If a local practise was unavailable for something like an extraction, the local hospital A&E department will usually have a dental surgeon on call anyway, so I can't see why there would ever be a need for such ridiculous actions. More likely that they pulled it themselves because they're a bit chicken when it comes to needles.

CP

Actually..............I REALLY could care less about UK dental health.

I actually really don't care about the UK.........I mean I don't dwell on what your homeland is doing........quite unlike a fellow 'mater around here that cannot restrain himself from the incessant critisizim of MY homeland.

I went to your BBC website and the homepage is all stories about the U.S.

I can't help it if WE are actually interesting over here.......

REX


PS
Let me know if you need help getting that "sense of humor" transplant.....

 

[Stroker]

The only thing interesting in the UK is the royal family being on welfare.

 

[Toejam]

I still don't understand why there is this US preoccupation with British dental health. I've honestly seen far more people in the US with teeth missing or half rotted away than I've ever seen here. Would be interesting to know if those posting such drivel have ever visited the UK since 1895, or if they have been sat in their rocking chair on their front porch, chewing tobacco and picking banjo, while getting fat and slowy dessicating in the sun since then.

There is a huge choice of dental heathcare providers in the UK that are very well used with choices between either NHS funded or privately funded practises. Since the deregulation of the NHS dental system it has been harder to find a practise who will take you on the NHS system, but it is more than possible if you're willing to travel 15 miles or so. Private may be more expensive, but in general, you get what you pay for.

The 6% of those who choose to treat themselves are most likely those with minor problems who buy the medication they need for things like gum disorders over the counter from a pharmacy, rather than pay to see a local private dentist when there is no real need. I doubt very much that anyone would resort to self extraction due to not having a nearby NHS dentist. If a local practise was unavailable for something like an extraction, the local hospital A&E department will usually have a dental surgeon on call anyway, so I can't see why there would ever be a need for such ridiculous actions. More likely that they pulled it themselves because they're a bit chicken when it comes to needles.

CP

Well Chris, you live there so your obviously more informed than we are. But tell me this; nothing to do with Dentists per say. But is it true that in the UK you can wait 6-8 months just to schedule a physical? Or that it takes about 2 years to schedule a Heart by-pass? That is what is bantered about here in the states now that Hillary de Ville is proposing Hillary care again!

 

["Dr. Dirt"]

Alright boys, your letting John's disdain for the US bring you down to his level. Let him be the antagonist and you guys stay on the "High Road" where you belong. I like you too much to see this. Besides, we've already chosen our favorite countries. Love 'em or leave 'em shall we say?

 

[UK_Nitro]

You lot need to get over him and stop judging us to all be the same.

Just because one man takes a slam at your beloved country you have a go at us all.

It's quite simple, stop feeding the troll.

 

[Rexfiles]

Actually......(thereI go with that word.........AGAIN)

I ain't feedin' nutin'

I was just taking a light hearted jab, poke, whatever.

My days and nights are not filled with obsession over the UK or any other country for that matter.

I happen to be too busy. Besides, even if I was not I STILL would not care.

I came across the article and thought I'd have fun with it.

A lot different from "whats his name post generator across the pond".

At least my faculties work in a relativley logical order.

So for those that don't "get it"............I don't know what ta' tell ya'

REX

 

[The Mighty]

Well Chris, you live there so your obviously more informed than we are. But tell me this; nothing to do with Dentists per say. But is it true that in the UK you can wait 6-8 months just to schedule a physical? Or that it takes about 2 years to schedule a Heart by-pass? That is what is bantered about here in the states now that Hillary de Ville is proposing Hillary care again!

Joe,
I don't know where those waiting list figures come from, but anyone who needs a major surgery will normally have it scheduled within a couple of weeks and most emergency surgery is usually done within a couple of days. The thing thats often a bottle neck is getting appropriate tests done to find out whats wrong. At the moment my dad is suffering with quite a serious stomach condition, but they need to do an endoscopy and some scans to find out whats going on, but they're pretty busy, so that means a two to three week wait to get in to explore the problem.

At the moment I have to agree that the NHS is not working to the standards which it has in the past, this is mostly down to the fact that it was made to govern its own funds regionally some time ago and this has never worked as well as it did when centrally managed, too much bureaucracy for those trying to do a pratical job. Most of the figures that you'll see for waiting lists are those bandied about by the opposition or a hard right media who doesn't care for a national health service, and are usually based upon the non-emergancy procedures and not the care of those in immediate "need". Yes the national health service in the UK does have some problems and yes we do pay for it in National Insurance Contributions deducted from pay, but in real terms the cost is probably around the same as paying a private healthcare insurance in the US and in the UK you don't have to worry about making sure your insurer will cover each provider you might need to use like you would in the US. Here you just go and get done what you need and its sorted.

Also if you want to queue jump here, its often possible to see a consultant on a private basis which often will save a few weeks wait on the NHS which can mean by paying a couple of hundred dollars you can often be seen quicker and still referred for tests/surgery on the NHS.

Scheduling a physical: If you just wanted a thorough check-up to make sure everything was doing as it should, most family doctors will see you within 3 days. If you want a full physical for insurance/employment issues/for your race license, this should be done privately anyway as its not for the sake of your health, but for the sake of someone elses pocket!

CP

 

[The Mighty]

I actually really don't care about the UK.........I mean I don't dwell on what your homeland is doing........quite unlike a fellow 'mater around here that cannot restrain himself from the incessant critisizim of MY homeland.

I went to your BBC website and the homepage is all stories about the U.S.

I can't help it if WE are actually interesting over here.......

REX

Strangely enough Rex you obviously didn't go to the BBC Homepage, but the BBC News homepage if you would like to be pedantic. Its funny that the BBC News homepage suppied to us here carries 20 headline stories today, not one of which is about the US and only two of which are "world" stories, which is quite a poor percentage for the BBC. The nearest a US story gets to a headline is Hillary topping the campaign funds list about 3/4 of the way down the page in a tiny byline, which is the only US story on the homepage.

Did you ever think that the BBC being a worldwide broadcaster, that they may have tracked your IP and given you a US biased news feed? Or would that be more clever than you'd expect for anyone non-american?

And believe me I don't need a sense of humour transplant, but I am sick and tired of the racial stereotyping on this board. Just because a few people decide they don't like what Hutchinson has to say (most of the time I don't either, but John has his problems and we really just should leave him to it) does not mean that I or the other UK members should have to put up with what is simply racist slurs by those who haven't the intelligence to express themselves in a more well informed and appropriate manner.

How come I can admit that life in the UK has its pro's and cons much like life in the US does and that to be honest I'd be happy to live in either political and economic climate, whereas it seems others are just living in their own little bubble where no-one further than the people they meet everyday and the freakshows they see on TV actually exist and anything other than their little world is simply "WRONG".

Whether I agree with what Hutchinson writes or not (mainly not), the things he calls to attention are more than often based on fact however sometimes misleading, but are therefore open for discussion, whereas it seems there's a lot of "Your Momma" coming back in return aimed at the UK. Criticisism based on fact is not a problem, as with Joe's question I explained the real situation with the NHS where I would rather pay the Taxes and have the government/public funded alternative even though at times it could be a better service, but I can also see why others would criticise and prefer the US system. I don't see this as a "dig" at me or my country or an attack in any way, but simply a critisism of one system opposed to another, in which there is no harm. Same applies to the gun debate, but as was seen, some haven't the intelligence to be able debate without throwing racial slurs.

The only thing interesting in the UK is the royal family being on welfare.

Thank God you think so Matt, at least we won't have to put up with you visiting anytime in the near future.

 

[HEMI6point1]

I don't know where those waiting list figures come from, but anyone who needs a major surgery will normally have it scheduled within a couple of weeks and most emergency surgery is usually done within a couple of days.

Chris, you know where those "waiting list figures" come from? Republicans who want to feed into the hands of the devils known as the HMOs. For one thing, in your country and in Canada you'll never hear of a patient getting denied a life-saving treatment because "it's too experimental" or "effects the bottom line too much."

 

[Toejam]

Chris, you know where those "waiting list figures" come from? Republicans who want to feed into the hands of the devils known as the HMOs. For one thing, in your country and in Canada you'll never hear of a patient getting denied a life-saving treatment because "it's too experimental" or "effects the bottom line too much."

Sam, does it ever occur to you the only thing preventing runaway heathcare costs are the HMO's? You think Healthcare's expensive now, wait till it's free! In California, several Hospital's have been forced to close in Immigrant communities for the simple reason is they can't pay! The State can only pic up the tab for the Freeloaders for so long.

 

["Dr. Dirt"]

Chris, you know where those "waiting list figures" come from? Republicans who want to feed into the hands of the devils known as the HMOs. For one thing, in your country and in Canada you'll never hear of a patient getting denied a life-saving treatment because "it's too experimental" or "effects the bottom line too much."

Samuel, your youth and inexperience are showing. Come back and respond after running your own business for a couple decades while providing your own health care and paying your own way through.
As far as your political views are concerned, I'm not sure you will wake up there?

 

[HEMI6point1]

Sam, does it ever occur to you the only thing preventing runaway heathcare costs are the HMO's? You think Healthcare's expensive now, wait till it's free! In California, several Hospital's have been forced to close in Immigrant communities for the simple reason is they can't pay! The State can only pic up the tab for the Freeloaders for so long.

You're contradicting yourself - how can it be expensive if it's free?

What saddens me (and makes me angry) is when I see grieving parents of someone who died because their HMO denied covering the cost of a life-saving procedure saying "it was too experimental." Or people being denied insurance at all because they've had a previous heart attack, or because their body mass index is too high (I think the BMI is bullshit anyway). You don't see that in places where a universal health care system is in place.

 

[TJ]

Bobby...I respect some of your opinions but if everyone thought like you or me and my neighbor it would tilt the whole system to one side...There has to be balance and that is what has kept our country strong...It really does not matter if someone thinks left or right but it does matter that we have the option to decide our direction in life...IMO

 

[Toejam]

You're contradicting yourself - how can it be expensive if it's free?

Samuel you are so naive, it's NOT FREE! The taxes you and I will be soaked to support this system will be enormous! You think social security's in trouble, wait till we get stuck in this Mess!

 

[TJ]

Joe...I understand what you are thinking but in hindsight our current debt is in the trillions....how is that paid back? We have borrowed money from Mexico, and a few other third world countries for our administrations spending habits..It would take every American citizen to write a check for $29,500 to balance it out to zero..I think that would more than cover health care...
Our current Presidents legacy will be the debt he leaves behind for someone else to fix...We have our problems but it's the best deal on earth...IMO

 

[willy]

Chris, don't let the behavior of a few on here skew your take..just like I won't let John skew my opinion.

It's cool.

Oh and Terry..we borrowed money from Mexico??? Hadn't heard of that one.