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It's seems impossible that WJ can exit the sport graciously. If you are that negative about the sport that has been pretty good to you, maybe you should have stayed retired when "School was Out". Sounds more like not being competitive is what this is really all about. Hard to find sponsorship for the over sixty crowd for a class that has been stuck in a time warp the past 25 years. We need more stories like Ricky Jones instead of crotchety old men.

Another hater I see. WJ has EARNED the right to give his opinion,you have no right to question him. Guys WJ are what has made P/S and he did it his way. He didn't go out and find some rich guy,he came up hard,sleeping in the truck to save $$$$. When was the last time GA or Jeggie slept anywhere other than luxury? Get a life yourself,the 'crotchety old man' has one.
 
Another hater I see. WJ has EARNED the right to give his opinion,you have no right to question him. Guys WJ are what has made P/S and he did it his way. He didn't go out and find some rich guy,he came up hard,sleeping in the truck to save $$$$. When was the last time GA or Jeggie slept anywhere other than luxury? Get a life yourself,the 'crotchety old man' has one.

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And yes, he did just get a "new to him" CNC machine. I doubt that it was brand new!
 
I didn't hear anything negative from WJ. He was asked a question and he just told the truth. Like Kevin Stith said, no smoke from WJ, just stuff you will never hear said by the PC crowd.

Pro stock is so expensive even those who could easily afford to run their own teams are combining efforts and powerplants in order to survive and be competitive. WJ is a father-son operation just trying to keep up.

I think he has earned a right to speak the truth about what is happening. He loves the sport and Pro stock in particular and has watched it evolve from a genuine factory hot rod class to what it is today. While you may never like his style you can't fault him for finally saying what everyone has been thinking for years. But there are those on this message board who live life with their fingers in their nose not wanting to know what is really happening from a guy who has been there since day one. Instead they call him a grumpy old man. Sad.
 
I gotta believe even though it's tough too get sponsors, particularly in PS, and the costs just keep escalating, WJ has options. I mentioned his engine won the Comp title. I'll bet if he chose to, he and KJ could park the cars, and make a real good living selling engines. Another thing that crossed my mind was, with all the consolidation among the money players, I wonder if anyone has approached WJ about joing forces? WJ seems like he's happiest when he's competing, but like I said, a guy with his ability will always have options. I for one would just love to see him get some backing and be able to really give these guys fits again, before he calls it a career.
 
Maybe I'm crazy, but nobody has to earn the right to speak the truth - it's a God given right and if everyone did it the world would be a better place. Of course, the right to free speech comes with a responsibilty to be respectful... and that's generally where the wheels fall off.

Yes, the stands have a lot of empty seats at a lot of the events. I imagine that to a degree some of that can be traced to the escalating costs of running a race car, regardless of the class, but not much of it. If anything, that's limiting the car counts because people can't afford to compete... which, in turn, makes it somewhat boring to watch because the same handful of teams are head and shoulders above everyone else. I get it.

The bigger reason for empty seats would be better argued on the politics board because the state of the economy in this great nation is in the tank. If the economy was booming, there'd be plenty of corporate money and the escalating costs of racing would be moot. In addition to the economy having a negative impact on major sponsors (See: Ford dumping John Force - the face of NHRA Drag Racing whether you love him or hate him), it's impacting where and when hard working Americans are willing to spend what little money they're making. Hell, I can't afford to race so I work at a race track just to be close to it and to earn a few extra dollars.

I'm not a marketing major by any stretch, but one of the biggest issues I've seen that has hurt corporate sponsoring of NHRA race teams (aside from the aforementioned pitiful economy) is the "Official Sponsor" BS. The Energy Drink debacle is a perfect example. Why would Red Bull wanna get involved if right from the start they're limited in what they can do at an event because another energy drink owns the Official Sponsor rights? Same thing with the Armed Services (which, given the current budget is moot). Why would the Navy want to sponsor a Top Fuel car to compete against Tony when the Army restricts their ability to recruit on site? That's the whole point of sponsorships - to expose people to your product! I get that a company gets what they pay for and if they pay for the Official Sponsor title rights they get all the benefits that go with that, but at what cost to the sport overall?

Multi-car teams are hurting the sport too. Again, why would a sponsor pay three to four million to sponsor one car that may go out first round (limited exposure) when it could pay a fraction of that to be on four or more cars that will guarantee more exposure? Answer: They wouldn't.

My point is that there are a veritable plethora of reasons the sport is suffering - WJ hit on a fraction of the problem, and it's the part that is affecting his operation directly. He's right, no doubt, but it's a lot bigger than just the little he said... and I'm sure he knows that, he just didn't have the time to elaborate.
 
Seems to me I remember WJ's shop doing some cylinder head work for NASCAR teams. Think he's still doing that? That might provide some of the justification for the new CNC machine. Besides, even if they may be down on power for Pro Stock, I'm guessing he could build a pretty potent bullet for just about any sportsman class of racing.
 
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Maybe I'm crazy, but nobody has to earn the right to speak the truth - it's a God given right and if everyone did it the world would be a better place. Of course, the right to free speech comes with a responsibilty to be respectful... and that's generally where the wheels fall off.

Yes, the stands have a lot of empty seats at a lot of the events. I imagine that to a degree some of that can be traced to the escalating costs of running a race car, regardless of the class, but not much of it. If anything, that's limiting the car counts because people can't afford to compete... which, in turn, makes it somewhat boring to watch because the same handful of teams are head and shoulders above everyone else. I get it.

The bigger reason for empty seats would be better argued on the politics board because the state of the economy in this great nation is in the tank. If the economy was booming, there'd be plenty of corporate money and the escalating costs of racing would be moot. In addition to the economy having a negative impact on major sponsors (See: Ford dumping John Force - the face of NHRA Drag Racing whether you love him or hate him), it's impacting where and when hard working Americans are willing to spend what little money they're making. Hell, I can't afford to race so I work at a race track just to be close to it and to earn a few extra dollars....

I was in the tower during first round of TF and FC and the stands looked pretty packed to me. When pro stock car came around the corner about 40% of the fans left the stands. When pro stock bike came up about 20% of the fans stayed in their seats. The rest, again, headed for the pits.
 
I was in the tower during first round of TF and FC and the stands looked pretty packed to me. When pro stock car came around the corner about 40% of the fans left the stands. When pro stock bike came up about 20% of the fans stayed in their seats. The rest, again, headed for the pits.
Okay that's fair, and fairly normal... even 10, 12 or 15 years ago. The majority of people who attend national events are generally more interested in the fuel cars because they're the loudest, fastest & quickest accelerating automobiles on the planet. Is that a surprise to anyone? Some of the most technologically advanced machines on the property are racing in Comp, but again, the average fan isn't interested.

Admittedly, none of the marketing issues I referenced in my first post address Pro Stock (car or bike) specifically, but the fact remains it's a challenge to market the slower cars when the fuel cars are present. Also, it's difficult to slow down the fuel cars when the alcohol classes are going as quickly as they are. I don't have an answer. Does WJ? I'm sure he has ideas and I'm sure they're better than anything I could propose, but does he take the time to discuss them with NHRA, or does he just vent in front of the camera? I'm not being a smartass, I really don't know.

I do, however, thoroughly enjoy NHRA (and IHRA) drag racing - all classes. But I'm not the norm. I stand at the fence for TF, FC, PS, PSB, PM, TAFC, TAD, Comp, Super Comp, Super Gas, Super Stock, etc. I enjoy the challenges each class faces. Most fans aren't like me though. Like I said, I work at a drag strip just to be close to the action and I enjoy 95% of what I do... drying the track after rain is no fun at all. :(
 
The problem (IMHO) with pro stock is they are too cartoonish. Personally I'd like to see them look at least something like what they are supposed to be. Ever look at the new Camaro P/S? It's so narrow it looks like it needs a kick-stand! On some of the cars the hood the hood goes upward towards the hoodscoop so radically it nearly meets the top of the windshield at the cowl area. I think they are awesome cars technologically, but not much more than carbed funny cars, which I also think have gone too car from reality appearance-wise
 
The problem (IMHO) with pro stock is they are too cartoonish. Personally I'd like to see them look at least something like what they are supposed to be. Ever look at the new Camaro P/S? It's so narrow it looks like it needs a kick-stand! On some of the cars the hood the hood goes upward towards the hoodscoop so radically it nearly meets the top of the windshield at the cowl area. I think they are awesome cars technologically, but not much more than carbed funny cars, which I also think have gone too car from reality appearance-wise

Get rid off the hood scoop and add fuel injection would be a great place to start.
 
Another hater I see. WJ has EARNED the right to give his opinion,you have no right to question him. Guys WJ are what has made P/S and he did it his way. He didn't go out and find some rich guy,he came up hard,sleeping in the truck to save $$$$. When was the last time GA or Jeggie slept anywhere other than luxury? Get a life yourself,the 'crotchety old man' has one.

Did you ever hear WJ whine about all things NHRA or Pro stock when he was winning Championships? I didn't....I think Whiney J is just pissed that sponsors don't find him marketable so as to front him $3 mil a year to race, and to compete with the top running cars!
 
from insidecompracing.com
wj interview - www.insidecompracing.com


insight from some racers

'From what I have been told some teams have gone to making their OWN 10 or 11" rear ends. Housing, center section, gears, EVERYTHING. You have to hire a engineer to design the gears, every ratio is a separate design, there is only one company who will machine them and you have to buy 7 sets of each ratio to get them to machine them for you... By the time you are done and the car is switched over you are well past the $250,000 mark.

They are supposed to be .01 and 1 mph quicker because they are more efficient .

This is what I was told by a few people who race Pro Stock."
 
Did you ever hear WJ whine about all things NHRA or Pro stock when he was winning Championships? I didn't....I think Whiney J is just pissed that sponsors don't find him marketable so as to front him $3 mil a year to race, and to compete with the top running cars!

While the costs were getting out of control back then, they were NOTHING like they are now. Warren and his team weren't the ones that took the escalating costs to the level they are now, that's for sure.......

Sean D
 
I was in the tower during first round of TF and FC and the stands looked pretty packed to me. When pro stock car came around the corner about 40% of the fans left the stands. When pro stock bike came up about 20% of the fans stayed in their seats. The rest, again, headed for the pits.
And you did a stellar job of announcing.
Sounded like you may know a thing or two about the alcohol classes:eek:
Never knew that there was anything racing between fuel & alcohol classes.
Figured that time was for track prep, shootin' t-shirts into the grandstands and watchin' paint dry.

WJ has never sugar coated anything as long as I can remember, even when he was kickin everyones butt.
 
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