sportsman quotas final 2 races

[mick]

STK / SS / SG / SC .........65 car fields at vegas, 60 at pomona. good to see them adding a few more, but my question is this.......
why not just have 64 car fields? never understood odd car counts, although i know some racers like having a late bye round

 

[Prestaged]

I don't understand the logic of having quotas at all. What do they have to do with anything?

 

[TD5023]

I don't understand the logic of having quotas at all. What do they have to do with anything?

Two things:

1) It enables the event planner to run a tighter ship, in cases of both the foreseen and unforeseen. Unlimited fields would be much harder to predict to keep everyone happy, and in the case of national events, the priority is the pro schedule. Limiting the sportsman classes, who are largely considered by event staff a necessary evil and by fans as uninteresting filler, keeps everything more streamlined and limits potential of non-pro delays. Also, with personal rigs getting bigger and bigger, pit space is now at more of a premium than it used to be. This is a bigger issue at some tracks than others.

2) It encourages participation in the divisionals. Entry to national events is staggered with those having more grade points having earlier access. If the quota is met by the time your grade point level opens, too bad. Your only chance then is to snag a spot if someone withdraws. Since you get a grade point for each divisional you run (as well as a few other specialty events), it's to your advantage to make as many as possible if your goal is to run nationals.

 

[mick]

brad, both points well said. it is certainly harder to enter nat. events with lower quotas, they fill up fast these days, and you gotta' have the grade pts. to do it.

 

[Prestaged]

brad, both points well said. it is certainly harder to enter nat. events with lower quotas, they fill up fast these days, and you gotta' have the grade pts. to do it.

Quotas are surpassed at national events on a regular basis. It does not appear that NHRA is limiting entries based on quotas.

 

[Pete]

Two things:

1) It enables the event planner to run a tighter ship, in cases of both the foreseen and unforeseen. Unlimited fields would be much harder to predict to keep everyone happy, and in the case of national events, the priority is the pro schedule. Limiting the sportsman classes, who are largely considered by event staff a necessary evil and by fans as uninteresting filler, keeps everything more streamlined and limits potential of non-pro delays. Also, with personal rigs getting bigger and bigger, pit space is now at more of a premium than it used to be. This is a bigger issue at some tracks than others.

2) It encourages participation in the divisionals. Entry to national events is staggered with those having more grade points having earlier access. If the quota is met by the time your grade point level opens, too bad. Your only chance then is to snag a spot if someone withdraws. Since you get a grade point for each divisional you run (as well as a few other specialty events), it's to your advantage to make as many as possible if your goal is to run nationals.

Also, it allows whomever lays out the pit parking to more easily fit everyone

 

[Chili]

Quotas are surpassed at national events on a regular basis. It does not appear that NHRA is limiting entries based on quotas.

There are some exceptions to the rules. Defending event champions or past World Champions do not have to have any grade points to enter the event. So even if the quota is at its max number, last years champion could enter making it one above the quota.

 

[Mike]

It would be more logical to have no pre-planned byes, meaning a minimum 64 entry list for S/SS/SC/SG. Regarding scheduling, fans would rather see racing than bye runs. Upping the quota to 64 for some of these would only affect the schedule on Thursday or Friday (in most cases lightly; start at 8am instead of 8:30); minimal to no impact on Saturday and no impact on Sunday since that's down to the Semi-Final round anyway.

 

[mick]

Quotas are surpassed at national events on a regular basis. It does not appear that NHRA is limiting entries based on quotas.

if you do not have past credentials as stated by chris davis, or some other circumstance, to my knowledge, it is impossible to get into an already full field, unless you are
the benefactor of a withdrawal.

 

[TD5023]

Quotas are surpassed at national events on a regular basis. It does not appear that NHRA is limiting entries based on quotas.

There are some exceptions to the rules. Defending event champions or past World Champions do not have to have any grade points to enter the event. So even if the quota is at its max number, last years champion could enter making it one above the quota.

In addition to these, points contenders late in the year are exempt from quota restrictions. I can't remember which event it starts at and if it applies to the entire top ten in the class, but if you're seen as in the running for the championship in the last few events, you're guaranteed entry access up until the registration deadline.

 

[mick]

last weekend in ennis STK ran 48 car field. split that in half each round until after E4 there are 3 cars left. somebody gets a semi-final bye into finals,
which last weekend was randy l. shipp who was the highest Q car (13th) of the 3 remaining.......the other semi was brimer (Q 36th) vs. Latino (Q 26th) which brimer won.
brimer won his 6th nat. event wally. fast cars win class, and can gain a bye, which who wouldn't want, but don't alway win the race.
the quota was 50 with 51 entries. 48 raced. not sure about other 3.

 

[Reese]

I don't see the need for quotas now. Yes when you had full fields in the pros, a awesome Manufacturers midway, and more hospitably area for the pro teams, it was needed. I feel bad for the racers that can't get in a race at their home track even if the have 5 grade points because of a quota.

 

[qualified17th]

It would be more logical to have no pre-planned byes, meaning a minimum 64 entry list for S/SS/SC/SG. Regarding scheduling, fans would rather see racing than bye runs.

Having a minimum car count isn't gonna do anything for the amount of bye runs in eliminations. Unless you have exactly 64 cars, you're gonna have byes. If 64 is your minimum and 65 guys show up, now you've got a bye in every round. Plus you've got to run an extra round of eliminations, screwing up the schedule for the weekend.

Probably best to just leave the system as is, and accept that seeing 1 bye run at the end of Super Comp isn't gonna ruin a fan's day at the races

 

[mick]

does anyone have elimination sheets for the dutch classic held last weekend at maple grove? i know who won stock, but can't seem to find results
and/or eliminations for the other classes. qualifying sheets were mine shaft. -1.45 under for #1. i believe records were set in G and H SA

 

[NHRA_PS]

does anyone have elimination sheets for the dutch classic held last weekend at maple grove? i know who won stock, but can't seem to find results
and/or eliminations for the other classes. qualifying sheets were mine shaft. -1.45 under for #1. i believe records were set in G and H SA

Maple grove website has results

 

[Nunz]

I do know my buddy Steve Comella won the Hemi Shootout at the Dutch.

 

[mick]

I do know my buddy Steve Comella won the Hemi Shootout at the Dutch.

and he qualified 3rd out of 7 cars i think?