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Matts wife, Angie, has won championships riding no wheelie bar nitrous outlaw bikes.
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Smith and Phillips
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Matts wife, Angie, has won championships riding no wheelie bar nitrous outlaw bikes.
Dave
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It's not the fact of the e.t. its the fact that Phillips bike picked up more than 2 hundreths of a second from the half track to the finish line that Arana's bike did. MPH is usually the true indicator of horsepower, and Phillips' bike definately has that. Kind of like how W.J. used to have the top mph in pro stock for so long.. he made the most power.
Jim
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Can't we escape this crap ANYWHERE now.......
Geez,
For some years now, Drag Racing in general and Pro Level NHRA seemed to have been gender-blind and color-blind. Somehow, if you ran the number, you were the man.
I don't know Matt's heart or Michael's heart (Heck, nobody was a better story when he finally won some races) but, I don't follow Drag Racing 'cause I want to argue left or right politics or worry about racial politics. I heard the comment during the broadcast and thought (hoped) I'd mis-heard it. In any event, if either one of these fellas' has a problem with the other, they oughta' take it outside the fence (metaphorically speaking) or shut-up about it.
It's the kind of thing that is going to sully anybody who touches it (and I don't want my sport to be another socio-political minefield).
Geez,
For some years now, Drag Racing in general and Pro Level NHRA seemed to have been gender-blind and color-blind. Somehow, if you ran the number, you were the man.
I don't know Matt's heart or Michael's heart (Heck, nobody was a better story when he finally won some races) but, I don't follow Drag Racing 'cause I want to argue left or right politics or worry about racial politics. I heard the comment during the broadcast and thought (hoped) I'd mis-heard it. In any event, if either one of these fellas' has a problem with the other, they oughta' take it outside the fence (metaphorically speaking) or shut-up about it.
It's the kind of thing that is going to sully anybody who touches it (and I don't want my sport to be another socio-political minefield).
Speed1288
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Re: Can't we escape this crap ANYWHERE now.......
you got it right Jim
If micheal was offended by anything matt said he should keep it off TV. There is enough name calling and slime ball behavior in the rest of the world. I come to a drag race to forget about all that and enjoy the sport i love
you got it right Jim
If micheal was offended by anything matt said he should keep it off TV. There is enough name calling and slime ball behavior in the rest of the world. I come to a drag race to forget about all that and enjoy the sport i love
HEMI6point1
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I wonder what they found after they took sledge hammers to the engines.
I always found it amazing that they would destroy expensive engines to cover their @$$'s.
They couldn't find it in Eckman's either...well not until he accidentally showed it
Bad example there. The NHRA just wanted a fall guy and Jerry was sadly it.
Back on topic, I honestly don't think Matt is a racist. I also don't think Michael is cheating. He just seems to have found a combo that is working great.
Mike Edwards ran everyone out the door last year (and for much of this year), I never seen anyone accusing him of cheating.
Sean D, shondoo
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Bad example there. The NHRA just wanted a fall guy and Jerry was sadly it.
Bad example? They blew the f#^!in oil tank across the pits. I have no doubt you're right that NHRA was looking for a fall guy(s), but the Eckman/Orndorff group made it too easy.
Sean D
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If I remember correctly it was just the blocks that got the sledgehammer treatment. Blocks aren't that expensive, and I'm sure they'd rather sacrifice a couple of those to the sledgehammer than admit they were cheating. Any engine builder worth a crap keeps detailed notes of what they've built. To not be able to duplicate their performance after the "break-in" speaks volumes.
Jenn
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As I understand it, it was the heads as well, and Mopar urged them to drop the B1 program and start developing the Hemis.
vegasnitro
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Hector's pass was indeed 3 hundredths quicker for the whole quarter mile, BUT Michael's bike was 2 hundredths quicker from half track to the stripe and ran a bigger MPH ... which is also quicker and faster than anything any other Vance and Hines engine customers can duplicate.
Removing all other nonsense from this story it boils down to this for me: would Matt really stick his neck out and say these things publically and deal with all of the fallout if he didn't have a good reason to? This isn't Matt's first rodeo, he grew up in those pits, he knows what it means to go on record and call a competitor a cheater.
It will be interesting to see what happens over the next few races. Will Vance and Hines say something? Other competitors? Will Michael be absolved?
It could be that WJ was a great analogy ... for years his cars were dogs to the 60 foot, mediocre to the 330 cone but absolute monsters on the back half. So it's not as though what Michael is doing is unprecedented.
I don't know, but I might actually watch PSM to find out ...
d'kid
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Reese
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That statement discribes Michael to a tee. He have the attitude that he will not get even, he will get ahead. Always feeling he have something to prove(like Angelle except she could bite her tongue). He was always at the track working on his combination to prove that he could make it. I don't believe that he is cheating like I don't believe that Matt is a racist.
That's one thing about living in south La.. I have seen some good pro stock riders come up from Wilbur J. Gary, Micheal, GT, Angelle, Redell(he would be fast if he worked on his riding style), and now LE.
vegasnitro
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Something tells me that business is about to pick up for the Vance and Hines Suzuki pieces LOL!
Sean D, shondoo
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Of course they urged them. They were heavily involved in not only Pro Stock, but the NHRA as well at the time and they were about to have big-time egg on their face. Moving to the new design gave them the perfect out. At least the perfect out to the vast majority of the casual fans that couldn't see the forest 'cause the trees were in the way.
Like the late, great Buddy Morrison once said about this whole fiasco, "All I know is if I had a 6.90 motor, I'd rebuild it...." Classic!
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Sean D, shondoo
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Matt (Smith) said on more than one occasion that he's verified with the people at Vance & Hines about MP's performance being bogus, but apparently he didn't talk to Matt..............
I do find it weird that nobody else with Vance & Hines horsepower is running anywhere near as good as MP, but then again, I don't know just how many teams are running their Suzuki's.
Sean D
d'kid
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Once More, Thanks Bobby and the Staff at Competition Plus - Drag Racing Magazine
You Cats Kick 'Assets'
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You Cats Kick 'Assets'
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Jim
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Assuming THIS is the link of the day:
PHILLIPS: I'M THROUGH WITH THE HE-SAID, SHE-SAID
Michael is making a BIG mistake here. I'm reminded of the one liner referring to "crap" in general "The more you stir it - the worse it smells"
He's dealing in highly charged stuff here - No good will come of it.
He'd be better off saying "Matt is a lying f**k (to accuse me of cheating) - Let's settle it on the track".
PHILLIPS: I'M THROUGH WITH THE HE-SAID, SHE-SAID
Michael is making a BIG mistake here. I'm reminded of the one liner referring to "crap" in general "The more you stir it - the worse it smells"
He's dealing in highly charged stuff here - No good will come of it.
He'd be better off saying "Matt is a lying f**k (to accuse me of cheating) - Let's settle it on the track".
Silly Savage
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PSB is not a class for me, but I remember last year wondering where Hector came from all of the sudden....he picked up kind of out of no where just like Phillips this year....
Bullard Anderson
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I think racing is about mechanics and driving ability. It's measured in enjoyment sure, but more wins and loses at this level! The win light doesn't care what color you are. If you're on a roll, you should be man enough to hold your head up and say "I'm the baddest dude on the planet right now." And watch as they try and catch you! The E.T. slip speaks for itself. There's no room for racial issues on the 1/4 mile (or 1000ft). I'm disappointed in Phillips. Who cares how you may think someone feels about you. Let the damn bike do the talking!
