Smith and Phillips

[T.Smith]

Well there is a difference to that. Ask some black friends from the north and lets hear there answers.

I've never consider that phrase as being racist. Better try someone in Milwaukee.

Now if I were in a conversation where someone is accusing me of being racist, I probably wouldn't use any terms that could indirectly add fuel to the fire.

 

[Sean D, shondoo]

The reason it set Phillips off was b/c he was looking for a reason. Plain and simple.

Took the words right out of my mouth. He was fishin', period. And when he's making remarks like, "It ain't no fun when the rebel's got the gun", it's clear he's enjoying it.

He may want to park the attitude and have a look at how history has treated those with chips on their shoulders/axes to grind. While many of them had their day(s), in many cases those days ended up being much shorter than their talent would've normally allowed.

Have your fun while you can, MP. The sponsors will tire of this sh!t quickly.

Sean D

 

[james]

first ray charles gets brought into, ps and tf/fc and now into the bikes, following matts comments on comp plus from yesterday

 

[TAFC 5 81]

Getting back to the performance issue; did I hear 5th and 6th gear mentioned? If MP is experimenting w/ gear ratios (along with aero) could that make a difference?

 

[theraceman]

taken from comp plus forums...

"I've got nothing against Phillips...don't know him at all....and I know Smith's gene pool practically requires him to do something stupid on occasion, "

now thats funny..

 

[sparky]

So it said somewhere that NHRA tech department tore down M.P. bike and found nothing . Huh maybe same guys that tore down Alderman and Geoffrion and Eckman ?.

 

[Rick]

"I've got nothing against Phillips...don't know him at all....and I know Smith's gene pool practically requires him to do something stupid on occasion, "

I do not know where this originally came from, but it is the BEST possible summation of this situation to date!!!

Great stuff right there.. Almost as good as Erica Enders justifying the sale of "stock" in her racing operation!!!

 

[Von Halen]

So it said somewhere that NHRA tech department tore down M.P. bike and found nothing . Huh maybe same guys that tore down Alderman and Geoffrion and Eckman ?.

Maybe you should have read the whole thread.

 

[cantdrive55]

Playful banter on the starting line and trading barbs in the media is one thing, but, I think this has gone way beyond that. IMO, Matt and Michael need to just shut up and race. It's not wise to accuse someone of cheating without proof, and it's equally not wise to accuse someone of being racist based on the two reported phrases "showing your true colors" and "calling a spade a spade". Maybe Michael has personal history with one or both of those phrases that were used against him in a negative way. It could also be that Michael and Matt have different interpertations of what those phrases mean. Perhaps there were more words exchanged that went unreported. Or, it's possible that this fued goes way deeper than we know. Michael has been racing for a long time, often on his own dime. And Matt seemingly jumped into the class and has been running with good equipment for quite awhile. That doesn't mean Matt didn't earn his way in, just that there might be some bitterness based on how both have gotten to this point in their respected racing careers. Add in the fact that Michael's bike passed tech and it becomes apparent that they're both doing a great job at making themselves look stupid. Sometimes controversy works, but not when the race card gets thrown on the table. Things always spiral out of control.

 

[d'kid]

"I've got nothing against Phillips...don't know him at all....and I know Smith's gene pool practically requires him to do something stupid on occasion, "

I do not know where this originally came from, but it is the BEST possible summation of this situation to date!!!

Great stuff right there.. Almost as good as Erica Enders justifying the sale of "stock" in her racing operation!!!

Can I Buy Stock in Double E?????

d'kid

 

[PJ]

Can I Buy Stock in Double E?????

d'kid

K-man you know thats not stock in a bra size right



Justin, buddy, gotta post this http://www.r-word.org/

 

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They showed it but there was no finish line interview which ain't surprising. The coverage at the starting line indicated he and Smith haven't met for their beer summit.

I bought everyone a round when he bulbed in round 3. John Force is aggressive and makes the sport interesting. Phillips just comes off as a thug - a fast one, but a thug nonetheless.

I am curious, what makes Phillips a "thug"?

 

[theraceman]

Ding Ding - We finally have the winner.

"Or, it's possible that this fued goes way deeper than we know"
Keith Otenberger

 

[twostep]

I am curious, what makes Phillips a "thug"?

He 'comes off' as one; isn't that what I said? I don't know the man; perhaps he drives old ladies to church when he's not working on his bike.

But that's not how he acts. He jumps around on his motorcycle, pounding fists and shadow boxing. He menacingly stares at opponents, shakes fingers, makes slasher gestures, and raises hell over perceived starting line games. He talks of fighting every day back home, invites Smith to an off-track ass whipping and makes comments like "no fun when the rebel's got the gun". And nobody likes a race baiter - which he, at least in this case, appears to be.

Well, maybe the 'gun' is his fast motorcycle. Perhaps his simulated fighting in the shutdown area is just his way of celebrating a round win. And maybe he was so fed up with Smith's accusations of cheating that he finally said "let's go outside". He may be a nice guy, once you get to know him, in private. I'll concede all of that is possible. And I personally don't believe he's a cheater.

He still comes off as a thug.

 

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He 'comes off' as one; isn't that what I said? I don't know the man; perhaps he drives old ladies to church when he's not working on his bike.

But that's not how he acts. He jumps around on his motorcycle, pounding fists and shadow boxing. He menacingly stares at opponents, shakes fingers, makes slasher gestures, and raises hell over perceived starting line games. He talks of fighting every day back home, invites Smith to an off-track ass whipping and makes comments like "no fun when the rebel's got the gun". And nobody likes a race baiter - which he, at least in this case, appears to be.

Well, maybe the 'gun' is his fast motorcycle. Perhaps his simulated fighting in the shutdown area is just his way of celebrating a round win. And maybe he was so fed up with Smith's accusations of cheating that he finally said "let's go outside". He may be a nice guy, once you get to know him, in private. I'll concede all of that is possible. And I personally don't believe he's a cheater.

He still comes off as a thug.

Who was the FC driver that used to come out of the hatch acting like he was shooting 2 6 shooters? Capps? Are his antics considered thuggish?

And as for him being called a cheater? When I raced, you call someone a cheater, you better be able to prove it. If not, shut your mouth, go back to your pits, and figure out how to keep from getting your butt whooped.

 

[Snake33]

Who was the FC driver that used to come out of the hatch acting like he was shooting 2 6 shooters? Capps? Are his antics considered thuggish?

of course not..... when John Force ran up on Lee Beard, was he thuggish? How about when Dougzilla did his thing? was he? they were just being "passionate"... Phillips was being a thug... he didnt touch anyone.. but he's a thug...right...

 

[none]

He 'comes off' as one; isn't that what I said? I don't know the man; perhaps he drives old ladies to church when he's not working on his bike.

But that's not how he acts. He jumps around on his motorcycle, pounding fists and shadow boxing. He menacingly stares at opponents, shakes fingers, makes slasher gestures, and raises hell over perceived starting line games. He talks of fighting every day back home, invites Smith to an off-track ass whipping and makes comments like "no fun when the rebel's got the gun". And nobody likes a race baiter - which he, at least in this case, appears to be.

Well, maybe the 'gun' is his fast motorcycle. Perhaps his simulated fighting in the shutdown area is just his way of celebrating a round win. And maybe he was so fed up with Smith's accusations of cheating that he finally said "let's go outside". He may be a nice guy, once you get to know him, in private. I'll concede all of that is possible. And I personally don't believe he's a cheater.

He still comes off as a thug.

of course not..... when John Force ran up on Lee Beard, was he thuggish? How about when Dougzilla did his thing? was he? they were just being "passionate"... Phillips was being a thug... he didnt touch anyone.. but he's a thug...right...

Carl stated his point well. I have to agree with him. Other drivers have done some things that could be taken as disrespectful but there is a series of actions and comments by MP that take this situation to a different level. I am sure that there is more to this than we all know but the point is.......From what I(we) have seen and heard, MP comes across badly.

 

[Rajunz]

........for what it's worth, he said "ain't no fun, when Red's got the gun", Red being his Crew Chief.

 

[blackbeard]

actually MP's quote is "ain't no fun when the RABBIT's got the gun." as in rabbit hunting...the hunter usually has the gun on the poor old rabbit.

 

[twostep]

OK, we'll let Phillips off the hook on that comment.

I strongly suspect that a couple of people here believe that if Phillips were white that I'd ignore the whole thing. Bullcrap. Matt Smith played a part in this. I replied to Smith directly, right here in this thread, and said as much. Go read it.

Behavior is colorblind. You couldn't ask for a nicer guy than Antron Brown and I can name plenty of white jerks. Obviously Brown and Phillips attended different charm schools.