Jim
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C'mon Mike. Whit would be too outspoken for KB.
Like 'em or not, KB is never going to take a chance (with his sponsors) that his driver might get grumpy. There's just too much at stake.
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C'mon Mike. Whit would be too outspoken for KB.
Like 'em or not, KB is never going to take a chance (with his sponsors) that his driver might get grumpy. There's just too much at stake.
"Dr. Dirt"
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Jimmy,
Despite the chicken and egg scenario you pose here there's another factor that seemed to be superior. It was stated by more than a few who were close to the situation that he was witnessed, time and again, yelling at the top of his lungs at his team owner in disagreement or disgust.
I happen to subscribe to the theory that many others here have shared where Whit would be best coming back as a team owner. His opinions are strong and openly expressed as are his emotions worn visibly on his sleeves and that works better for the boss than the employee in the employment spectrum. At least his rants wouldn't be cause for dismissal under those circumstances. I also agree that his talents would be a value to our sport.
Lastly, I believe if he watches his stocks on a daily basis he'll soon be hospitalized from ulcers beyond any pressures he has ever had in racing.
90-percent
Nitro Member
Thanks Bobby. Facts and truth trumps speculation every time. Seems like Whit would make a better owner than employee. As for yelling at bosses, my motto is: They can fire you, but you can't fire them!
Sounds like there's two sides to this story, but, one thing my safety prof told us; The first party that loses their temper loses the argument.
-85% Jimmy
Sounds like there's two sides to this story, but, one thing my safety prof told us; The first party that loses their temper loses the argument.
-85% Jimmy
My recollection is that Matco left DSR as a major sponsor and went to Powers. Along with a few other drivers Whit was interviewed and thru a process of elimination was finally selected to be the driver well after Matco had reached an agreement with Powers. My recollection further was that Matco was privately less than excited about that prospect but accepted it on a conditional basis.
My understanding is that Powers wasn't going to give him a contract untill and unless he satisfied all involved that he would conduct himself in a professional manner. I personally saw a loud and somewhat rude exchange of words involving Whit and crew members along with David Powers.
If he can't conduct himself in a professional and adult manner he got better than he deserved. I'm also told his comments after Force's accident were way off base and totally not called for.
Nitrohaulic
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What do you mean? I've fired plenty of bosses and companies!
It's all in your perspective.
The Counterfeiter
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From Doc - Lastly, I believe if he watches his stocks on a daily basis he'll soon be hospitalized from ulcers beyond any pressures he has ever had in racing.
Ya got that right - Having a "presence" in the stock market this year isn't like driving a Fuel Car - more like riding a Roller Coaster!
Ya got that right -
Having a "presence" in the stock market this year isn't like driving a Fuel Car - more like riding a Roller Coaster!
Nitrohaulic
Nitro Member
From Doc - Lastly, I believe if he watches his stocks on a daily basis he'll soon be hospitalized from ulcers beyond any pressures he has ever had in racing.
Ya got that right -
Exactly. Why I agree 100% with Dave Ramsey's explanation of the difference between short term traders and long term investors. Betting on an entire market that's averaged nearly 12% for over 70 years is one thing. I tried the trading thing a few years ago. That's nuts! There's no logic in trying to guess what everyone else is guessing what everyone else is guessing at the moment!
How many times do you see five analysts on stock shows who know minute details about a company's goings ons and NEVER see all five agreeing that you should buy or sell a stock? If THEY don't know? They can tell you what the CEO had for breakfast last Tuesday and it's a crapshoot as to whether they guess right or not. As LONG as you buy or sell, they get a commission.
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Wayne
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*personal opinion coming*
My own thoughts are that Whit told DP that he WOULD NOT dive for Fuller and then was fired. Bacca was interviewed and agreed to dive for Fuller, was hired, & did as he was asked/told!
Until the last year and a half, I really dis-liked Whit. However he has grown on me & I think he's been screwed twice by 2 different owners in the last 2 years.
It's sad that a driver can't have values and be honest and speak his mind.
I believe that those saying he should go back to being an owner are probably correct!!!
Perhaps he could hire Peggy L. and they both could kick some butt!!!
I think Rich's post kinda sums it up!!! Yes, it is too bad that our sport has come to this!!! $$$$$$
"Rich Bailey Re: No Whit in 2008
You now have owners and hired drivers or drivers that bring money to the table. It's best to own, drive and manage it yourself rather than put your destiny in someone else's hands. At least if he owned the equipment he could be putting his own deal together but at the same time I guess a sponsor is just as influential as an owner. Too bad that the sport has come to this."
My own thoughts are that Whit told DP that he WOULD NOT dive for Fuller and then was fired. Bacca was interviewed and agreed to dive for Fuller, was hired, & did as he was asked/told!
Until the last year and a half, I really dis-liked Whit. However he has grown on me & I think he's been screwed twice by 2 different owners in the last 2 years.
It's sad that a driver can't have values and be honest and speak his mind.
I believe that those saying he should go back to being an owner are probably correct!!!
Perhaps he could hire Peggy L. and they both could kick some butt!!!
I think Rich's post kinda sums it up!!! Yes, it is too bad that our sport has come to this!!! $$$$$$
"Rich Bailey Re: No Whit in 2008
You now have owners and hired drivers or drivers that bring money to the table. It's best to own, drive and manage it yourself rather than put your destiny in someone else's hands. At least if he owned the equipment he could be putting his own deal together but at the same time I guess a sponsor is just as influential as an owner. Too bad that the sport has come to this."
The Counterfeiter
Nitro Member
How many times do you see five analysts on stock shows who know minute details about a company's goings ons and NEVER see all five agreeing that you should buy or sell a stock? If THEY don't know? They can tell you what the CEO had for breakfast last Tuesday and it's a crapshoot as to whether they guess right or not. As LONG as you buy or sell, they get a commission.
What do you get when you ask ten economists a question?
Ten different answers with an error margin of + or - 300% -
What do you get when you ask ten economists a question?
Ten different answers with an error margin of + or - 300% -
90-percent
Nitro Member
I think the stock market is wonderful if you're rich and powerful, and connected enough to take advantage of the benefits of insider trading. I think as long as you're not blatent and obvious, you can get away with this forever!
-85% jimmy
-85% jimmy
Nitrohaulic
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I think it's wonderful that an average person who starts investing with a Roth IRA via a good spread of mutual funds at a young age can retire a multi-millionaire on only 12% long term growth, and that our "buyer determines the value of everything" free market has kept it growing at that pace for so long. I think it's darn near criminal that our public school system couldn't put that into layman terms when I was there. I don't think a lot of the teachers were capitalism's biggest fans.
I think it's a volume thing and that the millions of Americans who mulitiply their money over time greatly overshadows the few who manage to benefit from wrongdoing.
Bullard Anderson
Nitro Member
Whit will be back, no doubt. It would be excellent to see him with a mic in hand while he's without a ride.
90-percent
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Ron:
well put and a very constructive piece of info. that's what my companies 401K adminstrator people say also.
But a guy like Whit that studies portfolio's and reads the Wall Street journal is going after the crumbs left over from the big, well connected, established rich and powerful. All's I'm saying is the Country Club Set gets the good tips well before the private investor.
Institutional Retirement plans vs. private investors is what i'm talking about.
-85%
well put and a very constructive piece of info. that's what my companies 401K adminstrator people say also.
But a guy like Whit that studies portfolio's and reads the Wall Street journal is going after the crumbs left over from the big, well connected, established rich and powerful. All's I'm saying is the Country Club Set gets the good tips well before the private investor.
Institutional Retirement plans vs. private investors is what i'm talking about.
-85%
megadeth
Nitro Member
There are other stock markets other then just American that are worth checking out!
Your returns can be better especially since the dollar has dropped in value! You just have to know what to look for...
For instance I bought a crap load of Euro's when it was .85 cents US to buy 1 Euro now it's about $1.46 US to buy 1 Euro but one thing is for sure it takes money to make money.....
Your returns can be better especially since the dollar has dropped in value! You just have to know what to look for...
For instance I bought a crap load of Euro's when it was .85 cents US to buy 1 Euro now it's about $1.46 US to buy 1 Euro but one thing is for sure it takes money to make money.....
Nitrohaulic
Nitro Member
Dittos. I'm just saying that I believe it doesn't matter what you do. If you're buying single company stocks as a trader with ANY information, as opposed to buying diversified mutual funds as an investor, you might as well walk into a casino with it and pick a game. Can you say Enron?
Bobby
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I 'd like to know what comments those were.
Deb
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I think Whit is smart and invested his money.
