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Nitro Restrictions
- Thread starter Bobby Bennett
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Nitro Member
Certainly. They'll be using bio, etho,dieseline sold in 5 gallon containers with a 55 gallon drum price.
The Counterfeiter
Nitro Member
First - the fine was obviously excessive and is being negotiated (call it an appeal process if you wish). I doubt there will be an apology.
As far as DSR having a stockpile of nitro - I was told quite a while ago that the quantity originally was much higher than 400 barrels. I think Shoe has been very diplomatic about this entire situation and may be hanging on to the supply in case something goes wrong to ensure everyone can continue racing.
If you think he couldn't dispose of this very quickly at a profit, you are sadly mistaken.
tomcat
Nitro Member
I know Don said something to the effect of eventually getting to the point where the product would have to be sold to someone. I'm assuming that he has a price in mind for the product, and that for him to sell the Nitro at that price, based on his cost, he can only sit on it for a limited time without raising the price to maintain his return on investment. But I'm wondering, is there a "shelf life" on Nitro where a time constraint could now also be involved?
sdwarf36
Nitro Member
Ok--heres a way to conserve VP's diminishing nitro supply + save drag racing all at the same time.
All the nitro teams in the top 10 have to sit out one race between and the "countdown".
Smart race promoters at non restricted tracks quickly try to book teams for 8 car nitro "SUNDAY SUNDAY" shows- fill the bleachers -offer decent money.
The teams are encoraged to make as many runs as they wish.
Don sells them all the nitro at a non-gouged price.
Big names would be out getting paid to practice without hurting their points and Don would be able to sell his nitro. NHRA and its official fuel supplier will be able to make the rest of the season.
All the problems of the world solved-that was easy!
All the nitro teams in the top 10 have to sit out one race between and the "countdown".
Smart race promoters at non restricted tracks quickly try to book teams for 8 car nitro "SUNDAY SUNDAY" shows- fill the bleachers -offer decent money.
The teams are encoraged to make as many runs as they wish.
Don sells them all the nitro at a non-gouged price.
Big names would be out getting paid to practice without hurting their points and Don would be able to sell his nitro. NHRA and its official fuel supplier will be able to make the rest of the season.
All the problems of the world solved-that was easy!
Mad Mark
Nitro Member
"The only person it's going to benefit is Larry Morgan," Capps said. "'cause he's going to sell a lot of tee shirts."
Draw 3D
Nitro Member
Yes it does. If I worked for NHRA, VP or whatever, I would probably have a point of view that will favor my job.
And what "facts" have you posted? All I've seen are your opinions and those aren't facts.
Btw, you're strange "?????????????????" you left on my bio says more about you then I really care to know.
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Nitrohaulic
Nitro Member
As far as I know, it will keep as long as it's sealed.
As far as Monday testing goes, are teams still able to get wider than normally legal tires for testing purposes? If they're able to run equipment that would be national event illegal, why do they care WHERE a team gets it's nitro for a test session?
Nitrohelper
Nitro Member
How about :
IHRA (Torco),
Nitro Boats ,
Nitro Harleys ,
Match Racers,
Nostalgia Dragsters & Funny Cars,
Super Chevy Sunday,
RC Airplanes & Cars.
NHRA & IHRA testing.
Nitrohaulic
Nitro Member
I believe I read that some of it's going to Bowling Green for the Hot Rod Reunion.
Like VP finally came around and said, it's Don's business what he buys and sells. It will have been an unwise investment if he's unable to sell it for a viable profit when he does and, again, I believe that's HIS business.
As far as them apologizing goes, that's what you do when you're WRONG??? I know, some people aren't able to wrap their brains around the concept.
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So if he sells it to VP all those people can just do without?
I'm shocked and disappointed in this whole mess.
Some have called for a new organization, I don't see that happening. I would think most of the big team sponsors contracts state that they run X amount of nhra events. As much as they may want to jump they would not be able to.
Until about 2 years ago I was an nhra apoligist, but there are too many bad decisions that have been made and continue to be made. Any other company would have new leadership by now. It is time.
I wish the owners had enough backbone to stand up to nhra....maybe its not backbone. Perhaps its that they need to trust each other enough to stand up. Right now it seems like Don is the only one.
Odd but you know what one of the saddest parts of this is, and a pretty good indicator on why Compton needs to go. Wouldn't you think a racing organization restricting fuel and worried about running out would be a big thing, maybe even get some news coverage? We can't even get bad press.
Some have called for a new organization, I don't see that happening. I would think most of the big team sponsors contracts state that they run X amount of nhra events. As much as they may want to jump they would not be able to.
Until about 2 years ago I was an nhra apoligist, but there are too many bad decisions that have been made and continue to be made. Any other company would have new leadership by now. It is time.
I wish the owners had enough backbone to stand up to nhra....maybe its not backbone. Perhaps its that they need to trust each other enough to stand up. Right now it seems like Don is the only one.
Odd but you know what one of the saddest parts of this is, and a pretty good indicator on why Compton needs to go. Wouldn't you think a racing organization restricting fuel and worried about running out would be a big thing, maybe even get some news coverage? We can't even get bad press.
How short sighted is the NHRA management, that in their attempt to pad their bottom line they signed an exclusive fuel marketing agreement with company that does not even produce the nitro and obviously has no guaranteed supply agreement with any of the manufactures!?!?
VP should never have been allowed to be the sole source of nitro for national events or otherwise.
VP should never have been allowed to be the sole source of nitro for national events or otherwise.
Old Sg
Nitro Member
NHRA being short sighted is an understatement
Seems as if VP can't provide the neccesary quantity of nitro to fufill their contractual requirement then they have broken the contract. Should "PRO" step in and tell Compton and Light get us the fuel now cause you guys are the ones the made this stupid deal with VP to be the Official Supplier without verifying there was enough quantity of fuel here in the U.S. What a bunch of dummies.
Nitrohaulic
Nitro Member
No kidding.
"You can only buy nitro from our in house supplier."
"Since our in house supplier is in the middle of a nitro shortage because they didn't have the foresight to buy up a bunch of drums like an independent did, you can't test on Monday."
clwill
Nitro Member
Don't forget Fertilizers and many other industrial uses... They are also straining at the nitro shortage. Clearly lots of places for Don to move the product.
Nitrohelper
Nitro Member
Industrial users have the Angus products available to them. Plus their Nitro plants are in the USA ,and Europe. There is only a shortage of Chinese Nitro for the racing vendors that didn't have the ability to purchase, and warehouse an adequate amount.
Larry
Nitro Member
I don't like to spread rumors but this one has started the rounds and I know Don S could get on here and squash this one right now.
With all the economic problems coming down the pike [ thanks congress ] this one would be the final bullet.
Rumor on another web site from a source in the additive business says China will no longer export Nitro after this year for racing purposes. I won't repeat the name.
I guess like everything else we don't make any for racing in this country.
I remember when the plant in Sterlington La. blew up and forced vendors to look elsewhere. China maybe ?
Yeah food and farming are important but I for one think it's more of a liability problem than a shortage.
Racing is such a small market why bother.
Are you out there Evan ???
Do I hear the sound of Cavalry Trumpets ???
I hope so cause this source says if you want to see fuel cars you better go as much as you can this year.
Ordinarily I would not lend credence to such a thing but have you noticed a lack of bidders going after the NHRA PRO Series since the deal fell through last year?
$125 mil is not a lot of money to many corporations with ties to racing and racing products.
A one horse unit could provide all of the racing fuel needed every year. A small deal.
But it would need it's own law firm and Insurance company for support.
I don't know but maybe Evan or Don does.
With all the economic problems coming down the pike [ thanks congress ] this one would be the final bullet.
Rumor on another web site from a source in the additive business says China will no longer export Nitro after this year for racing purposes. I won't repeat the name.
I guess like everything else we don't make any for racing in this country.
I remember when the plant in Sterlington La. blew up and forced vendors to look elsewhere. China maybe ?
Yeah food and farming are important but I for one think it's more of a liability problem than a shortage.
Racing is such a small market why bother.
Are you out there Evan ???
Do I hear the sound of Cavalry Trumpets ???
I hope so cause this source says if you want to see fuel cars you better go as much as you can this year.
Ordinarily I would not lend credence to such a thing but have you noticed a lack of bidders going after the NHRA PRO Series since the deal fell through last year?
$125 mil is not a lot of money to many corporations with ties to racing and racing products.
A one horse unit could provide all of the racing fuel needed every year. A small deal.
But it would need it's own law firm and Insurance company for support.
I don't know but maybe Evan or Don does.
G'ginna
Nitro Member
I am just curious so I am going to put a few questions out there...
1.) Who are the principles of VP?
2.) Are they related to or close friends with the decision makers of the NHRA?
3.) From what I understand there was no bidding process for this contract, why not?
4.) Has there been any disclosure about the wording of the contract?
5.) Is it an open contract stating only that VP are the suppliers for or is there a specific amount per racer guarantee clause?
It seems to me that without some of these answers we are just going to keep asking the same questions over & over. Is there a charter in the NHRA bylaws that provision transparency in contractual agreements?
1.) Who are the principles of VP?
2.) Are they related to or close friends with the decision makers of the NHRA?
3.) From what I understand there was no bidding process for this contract, why not?
4.) Has there been any disclosure about the wording of the contract?
5.) Is it an open contract stating only that VP are the suppliers for or is there a specific amount per racer guarantee clause?
It seems to me that without some of these answers we are just going to keep asking the same questions over & over. Is there a charter in the NHRA bylaws that provision transparency in contractual agreements?
