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NHRA Tech says to DSR Top Fuelers "Take It Off"!

I don't know...
...I don't have an engineering background and when I first saw pictures of the shroud and taller windshield I thought it HAD to have an aero advantage. Finally some noticeable development in Top Fuel. How did NHRA miss it?

I think I am going to develop a titanium enclosure for the whole engine that is going to cost me $5,000,000 to prevent any pieces from exiting the vehicle.......by the way there will be NO aero advantage.:rolleyes:
 
Here's my take on it...If I were to drive a fueler,I'd want the drivers roll bar area covered like the DSR cars had.Looking at the close up's on TV,I think of Darrell Russell's accident,there is still open area for shrapnel to come thru overhead.The funny cars have enclosed driver roll bar areas..why not the fuelers too??
 
Here's my take on it...If I were to drive a fueler,I'd want the drivers roll bar area covered like the DSR cars had.Looking at the close up's on TV,I think of Darrell Russell's accident,there is still open area for shrapnel to come thru overhead.The funny cars have enclosed driver roll bar areas..why not the fuelers too??

TF and TAD have a required titanium shroud that surrounds the back of the helmet around to the middle vertical hoop bars Chris... The only open areas are covered by the ISP padding and a mounting plate on the helmet bar. I don't see any aero advantage other than the little lip on the top of the DSR shroud... Me thinks this is a bamboozle distraction on the same scale as Nitrogate... :D ;)
 
Ok, on to the next project! :D


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Pretty wild, vast majority pointing the finger at the NHRA, insinuating that NHRA is dead against innovation. Excuse me while I offer an alternative view (my take)

Not knowing anything else but what I read in the article, Don went to NHRA proposing a safety improvement (I don't know what that improvement was... but I assume it was for fire protection) - the shrouded cockpit. NHRA takes Don at his word and allows the improvement. Then the Reading fire happens, and they snap a photo of Antron with fire in the cockpit. If my assumption is correct (that the reason for the shroud was to prevent fire from entering the cockpit) the innovation has been proven to be ineffective with that Antron fire pic.

If that's the case, why would Don be so opposed to removing the ineffective safety device? I can see how one might reason that there must be some sort of performance advantage. I guess we would need an answer to the question what is safer about having the shroud if not fire protection? If there is no answer to that question then there's no reason to have a shroud in the first place, therefore why not clear up any misconceptions about a performance advantage and dis-allow it.

Maybe the safety innovation has nothing to do with fire, and my whole understanding of the story is garbage. In which case there's more to the story that I really can't form an opinion about. Maybe removing the shroud at this point puts the Schumacher teams at a dis-advantage, then it's continued use would be up to the Schumacher team.

I can also see how this whole experience would make the NHRA reluctant to allow any innovation in the future. There's probably some curve somewhere describing the benefit / cost ratio when describing innovation in today's fuel cars. I would guess that over the years the benefit / cost ratio has decreased significantly. Therefore it becomes more difficult to allow innovation when considering how teams are struggling today just to make a pass.

And there has been innovation over the years... the injectors are higher, different shapes, the front wings are mono now, the spill plates have those wierd shapes cut into them, the set back blower.. and probably a **** load of internal stuff I can't even see.

NHRA has a tough job keeping everyone happy, I wouldn't want to do it. And maybe it was a bit un-professional to allow something based on someones word (so the story says). Maybe a trial period or something. Having an engineering background, I would think that having the shroud would result in cleaner air flow to the injector, maybe rear wing- which would be an advantage wouldn't it? If you allow that, I bet the engineers would come up with some pretty wild fins and shapes to get more air to the injector, while not actually touching the injector.
Nick, you've pretty much said what I've been thinking. Not surprisingly, most who don't have a clue want to point the finger at NHRA. I think there are bigger issues with other parts that are being manufactured by and raced by DSR, JFR and AJR that are not for sale to the rest of the field. After what happened at Reading, those shields were a very easy target for whomever.

I think NHRA is in a really tough spot and any decision made will always be the wrong one in someone's eyes.
 
I feel sorry for Don, not because I know him or feel bad that he spent a wad of cash for the development, but I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to build a business with many lives and livings at stake, all to be governed by total morons.

If you're a business owner under the current federal administration, you know this feeling very well. :D Sorry, off topic.

But to the point, I really don't get why someone would complain. Before this sudden reversal of legality any team could have added the device. Nobody did. Even if DSR had been setting records all year and winning everything in sight a complaint would not be valid because anyone could have used it. Compare this to Garlits' nosepiece or the small airplane front wheels. Everyone perceived it an advantage and copied it. Had they thought this really gave DSR an advantage everyone would have been all over it.
 
Lets face facts: NHRA DOESN'T LIKE DON AND DON DOESN'T LIKE THE NHRA. They have been messing with him for as long as I can remember. If this shroud does indeed help him, then NHRA should not have let him use it the first time. Graham Light has such a condescending attitude, that even if he is right he comes across as way too superior than anybody else, in his book. Cut Don some slack NHRA.

Rick
 
Lets face facts: NHRA DOESN'T LIKE DON AND DON DOESN'T LIKE THE NHRA. They have been messing with him for as long as I can remember. If this shroud does indeed help him, then NHRA should not have let him use it the first time. Graham Light has such a condescending attitude, that even if he is right he comes across as way too superior than anybody else, in his book. Cut Don some slack NHRA.

Rick

I agree, Rick. Much of the criticism comes from the way these rulings come down.
Don Schumacher deserved a better approach and so do each of us. I want to support the NHRA and I'm easy - have an open, fair process and I'm good with that.
Cheers,
Ed
 
TF and TAD have a required titanium shroud that surrounds the back of the helmet around to the middle vertical hoop bars Chris... The only open areas are covered by the ISP padding and a mounting plate on the helmet bar. I don't see any aero advantage other than the little lip on the top of the DSR shroud... Me thinks this is a bamboozle distraction on the same scale as Nitrogate... :D ;)

I wouldn't want to depend on a piece of ISP padding,and it's still open at the side.I think there is NO aero advantage,and the team that made the so called study should provide the "proof".
 
Ok, now that Schumacher's shroud has been deemed illegal, does this mean just his design or does this basically eff everything up for anyone else who wants to try to build one?
 
If you're a business owner under the current federal administration, you know this feeling very well. :D Sorry, off topic.

But to the point, I really don't get why someone would complain. Before this sudden reversal of legality any team could have added the device. Nobody did. Even if DSR had been setting records all year and winning everything in sight a complaint would not be valid because anyone could have used it. Compare this to Garlits' nosepiece or the small airplane front wheels. Everyone perceived it an advantage and copied it. Had they thought this really gave DSR an advantage everyone would have been all over it.

You're dead on David, G.Light knew he would do this when he approved it to start with. I don't believe anyone complained he was just waiting for the right time to best aggravate DSR. G.LIGHT is so arrogant he would celebrate if DSR left NHRA.
 
You're dead on David, G.Light knew he would do this when he approved it to start with. I don't believe anyone complained he was just waiting for the right time to best aggravate DSR. G.LIGHT is so arrogant he would celebrate if DSR left NHRA.

Sorry, but that has to be one of the most ignorant posts that I've read on here in a while. JMO.
 
Sorry, but that has to be one of the most ignorant posts that I've read on here in a while. JMO.

Michael, you can say what you want but I've been involved in Drag Racing for over 35 years and there is no way any team would wait 19 races to complain about something as stupid as this is, just like the Fuelgate in Vegas. There was no complaint G. Light does not like Don S. and that's a fact.
 
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