I'm talkin speeds....you don't see 334-335 anymore!
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I'm talkin speeds....you don't see 334-335 anymore!
yoda
Nitro Member
Dom Lagana records the fastest speed in IHRA history- breaks the 330 mph barrier in the quarter mile. A stout run in a drag car, without a doubt.
Does his pass lose its credibility here with some members because its not 5mph faster? Does his run become any less a part of a great drag race because it was "only" 330, or that it took place on a course now considered by some as longer than the norm? Is the run to be considered less of a great pass when compared to any of the self-promoting "marquee matchups" of the past season?
A good drag race MAY have record-breaking performance, but World Records rarely happen in a GOOD drag race. Odds are, only one car is capable of stellar performance and the actual drag race is a one-sided affair.
What makes a good drag race is a pair of cars racing to an evenly based finish where one car supersedes the other at the finish line. There are many here that have confused what a drag race is all about- they envision overwhelmingly superior performance by a car as a requirement for success. Possibly those that desire that constant record-breaking performance would be better served looking at a time-over-distance version of sport.
Usual password less 1
Nitro Member
When the Top Fuelers were running 334-335mph in the quarter mile they were only running 277mph to half track. (Cory Mac at 2007 Winternationals). Now they run over 290mph at 1/2 track on a great run. 13+mph at half track is BIG SPEED!!
So why doesn't Nitromater do a survey of the people here on the board. 1320 with 4.9-5.0 Funny Cars at best and 4.70-4.90 Top Fuelers or 1000' racing the way we have it now. You can't have both cause its never going to happen because of the length of certain tracks, tire technology(remember all the tires coming apart when we were 1/4 mile), as well as other factors. Could imagine what would happen if Goodyear packed their bags and made no more fuel tires!! And don't think anybody else is going to step up and make a fuel tire that's going to be any better for the maybe 40 fuel teams out there...not much $$ to be made cause of all the engineering needed.
Also lets say we go back to 1/4 mile with the slower cars. How many more races are you guys going to actually go to just because of that? I am sure NHRA is trying to figure out just how much they think they are losing from not running a 1/4 mile. I would think that 95% plus of the people at the races couldn't really care less what distance we run. Some of the old "hardcore " guys might not go anymore but I still see guys/girls like Al Segrini or Shirley Muldowney at the races. Hard to get more "hardcore" than that!
What he said!!
TF it will take some time to get back to the 334mph Langdon set last year at Maple Grove with the change to the rev limiter this year. I think the season best speed in TF is like 330 by Schumacher in Phoenix. Force ran 323.5 2 weeks ago in Maple Grove and that pass was stout. I am just not sure how I would feel seeing a car accelerate at mid 90's pace vs. what we have seen the last 10 years. Would I not go to the races anymore if they slow the cars down, no because I love going to the races. Seeing the record performances is just a bonus I would like to continue to see.
Larry jr.
Nitro Member
Well when the current class of big show tuners figure out how to get past 300feet with out blowing the tires off or past 600 feet without a fireball body launch and an oil down I will tell NHRA what I think of 1000' VS 1320' fuel racing.
This year I have attended Six 1/4 mile fuel car races including the CHRR, and ONE Bigshow 1000 ft race, what does that tell you.
The Nostagia fuel cars are slower.................. The restored and repoped exhibition and cackle cars are awsome, most of them don't go fast anymore most don't even move at all they just sit in one place and make headerflames and nitro fumes.
Having been there and done that, I have to say its the way fans are treated by the track officials, the sanctioing body and the racers that will keep the fans coming back.
Its really the details that matter, like parking, or where the out houses are, or the food prices, mostly I think its the people running the deal, most race fans and racers will put up with little things like flys and dust or cummy parking to attend a great event and feel that they go they're moneys worth because they're all time hero talked to them, even if said hero didn't win the event.
I'll say this Im sure everyone will agree, if you do something good for a person , that person will tell someone, if you do something bad to a person..........That person will tell everyone.
Jeff as long as 320 MPH is common on a 1/4 mile pass, I won't care! I'm willing to give up a tenth in performance if it means closer racing and Less downtime!
I really think 300 is the magic number. If they slow them down below that then it will take away something. As long as both classes do that on a regular basis then I think slowing them some is acceptable.
It seems very few tracks each season really have the chance to have a record. You need great track conditions plus perfect weather. I really don't go to any race thinking that I will see a record. It's great if I do but since 1000' I really have no idea what the records are anymore.
I still would like to see 1/4 at the tracks that can and 1000' at the ones that can't. It's not a deal breaker for me. I would like 1320 back but fear what they would be.
Also if they castrate them too much, then what will they have to do to the alky cars? No way they let them get too close.
It seems very few tracks each season really have the chance to have a record. You need great track conditions plus perfect weather. I really don't go to any race thinking that I will see a record. It's great if I do but since 1000' I really have no idea what the records are anymore.
I still would like to see 1/4 at the tracks that can and 1000' at the ones that can't. It's not a deal breaker for me. I would like 1320 back but fear what they would be.
Also if they castrate them too much, then what will they have to do to the alky cars? No way they let them get too close.
Jeff pretty much reiterated what I posted earlier, that is, if we go back to 1320, it will be a different package. Remember, with the technology of today and the braintrusts who use it, we will probably have to do "resets" every few years, regardless of track length. I remember many tears ago, Indy cars were exceeding 230mph on the straights. I don't know if they do that now. Same with NASCAR, they have consistently had to slow the cars over the years.
my friends call me Zappy
Nitro Member
Remember how we all freeked when they went to 85%. Everyone hated the
"watered down" sound. Do you realize how restricted the fuel classes would have be to, today, to be able to go back to 1320'???
My point is...if you did get nitro back to 1320...you wouldn't like what you got.
"watered down" sound. Do you realize how restricted the fuel classes would have be to, today, to be able to go back to 1320'???
My point is...if you did get nitro back to 1320...you wouldn't like what you got.
SundayNiagara
Nitro Member
Ain't but one way to find out, is there? I'll take the chance!
MW
Nitro Member
This looks pretty good to me... Single Mag, Mild Tune Up, Lots of Noise and nice header flames. More competitors would surely come out and play!!!
JOHN LAWSON'S NITRO '00 PONTIAC FIREBIRD F/C FINAL RUN [email protected]! - YouTube
JOHN LAWSON'S NITRO '00 PONTIAC FIREBIRD F/C FINAL RUN [email protected]! - YouTube
Yeah, runs about as quick as a TAFC.
yoda
Nitro Member
Which is about a second quicker than an AA/FC when they were cool...
That was before my time. They were running those (Lawson's Rt. 66 pass) ET's when I first starting following the sport. Talk about going backwards 25yrs, not sure you grow the sport by going backwards that far. By the way, AA/FC is just as cool now as it was 25yrs ago as the cars have progressed with time.
bing
Nitro Member
Mine came yesterday too. Yes I will be seeing you next weekend, will be great to catch up again. Been way too long. I will give you a call when I get in.
I've been watching this sport and going to races since I was 12. I'm 40 now. I hate the 1000' racing. But I still watch. If my vote mattered I'd want 1320' back yesterday. To me, that's just real drag racing. I don't care if it's "noticeable" or not to the one-time-a-year-fan in the stands, it's noticeable to me. 330mph is just as deadly as 290mph. Part of the fun for me (not speaking for anyone else) is the ingenuity required by the teams to get around the limits placed on them by the NHRA. I'm not just watching to see a loud pass. I'm into the engineering of the game as well. I never want to see anyone get hurt, however, 320 feet less at 330mph isn't preventing anything...it's still 330mph. There hasn't been one time where there was an incident where the NHRA or a team said "Thank god for the 1000' rule, our driver would have been dead if he/she didn't have that extra .6 seconds."
1320 is my vote. Flame away.
1320 is my vote. Flame away.
Until Kalitta's Death, I never heard any racers talk about how Dangerously Short Pomona and E-town were! Even at 330 MPH...
Well Lagana & Litton got to match race 1/4 there last July. No problems there.
Sean D, shondoo
Nitro Member
Until Kalitta's Death, I never heard any racers talk about how Dangerously Short Pomona and E-town were! Even at 330 MPH...
I said it then, I'm saying it now and I'll say it until I die; 1,000ft racing was knee jerk reaction in the wake of that accident, nothing more, nothing less. When you consider all the other tragedies that have happened in the sport prior to and since then, you'll have a hard time quantifying to me, or anyone else that actually knows anything about drag racing, otherwise.
Sean D
Usual password less 1
Nitro Member
Geez.. I must be getting old. Maybe you can refresh my memory on the "since then" (TF/FC only) cause I don't remember any. While you are at it you can show me all the video's of TF or FC drivers running off the track since 1000' rule was implemented. I can certainly find you lots from before then if somebody had a chute failure or other problem. Probably has nothing to do with the extra football field of length we have to slow down in though....
