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NAPA drops MRW. Is that good or bad for Capps?
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Silly Savage
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Awww, come on now... You assume that Brent even GOES to the races....
Hard to make the races when his balls are plugged into a USB port....bwaaahaha
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Ooh, have we got an e-thug here?
I don't attend any event in LV or Texas, I'll stay around the midwest. And you'd be sorely mistaken if you don't think I'd say the same thing if you were standing 3 feet from me, skippy.Awww, come on now... You assume that Brent even GOES to the races....
I guess neither of you two boneheads have seen my photos and videos I've posted. You can feel free to check a few of them out on my FB page.
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Ashley Force at Seattle? Couldn't be because I don't attend any races, remember?Who's the hottie in pink?
FC138fan
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I'm probably asking for trouble even commenting on that Castrol FB incident, but I guess I feel obligated to since I posed the original question generating the post.
Are the facts out there? Is JF quoted somewhere saying he did not drive the car out of the groove on purpose? (Maybe it is out there, I don't know.- if it is can you direct me to the article / story?) From what I recall (admittedly I didn't pay much attention) JF kept beating around the bush, so I was under the impression he drove it out of the groove on purpose. If the facts aren't out there, one can't be objective and they have to interpret events as they see them, and it really looked like he made a right turn on a straightaway.
Even if Brent (and I... and thousands of other fans) are totally incorrect on the events that took place that day... all Castrol has to do is say (or issue a statement to the effect that) they investigated the incident determined that he did not manipulate the outcome of the race (and championship). Castrol still hasn't responded to the original FB post.
I'm just not aware of a definitive statement from JFR or Castrol on the subject. Am I wrong?
** Disclaimer **
I am not calling John Force a liar. If he is on record somewhere saying that he did not throw that race, I retract everything negative I've said about him regarding this subject. I have no reason to suspect he is a liar.
If JF gave his word to everybody that he didn't do something, you've gotta believe him, and I would. I just haven't seen him give it to anyone yet.
If someone can prove to me that JF went on record as saying he didn't throw that race, I'll eat my words and apologize to Castrol (through FB of course).
Bullard Anderson
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To all those who can't make it through Christmas without putting the John Force NHRA officially licensced Castrol Star atop the tree, this is for you.
John Force has thrown races, made others throw races, manipulated races, ask crew chiefs to blow the tires off the car, or just told drivers to lift off the pedal for years. It's his privately owned business and that is how he chooses to run it from time to time when it benefits JFR. If you've paid money at an event to see a heads up drag race and found out that your driver (Tony Pedregon, Robert Hight, Mike Neff, or others) have been asked not to win by the owner I feel sorry for you. You paid the money with the expectation of seeing your driver accel. That, of course, being side by side drag racing at a competitive peak unmatched and not predetermined in a Castrol hauler or hospitality tent.
I did not pass judgement on John Force here. I am just stating the facts. One could argue that a man can run his business, and thus his money, in any fashion he chooses.
To those who wish to argue these facts I submit that Christmas about 3 months away so go ahead and get the first coat of polish on the John Force star, which I hope you bought with the Graham Light bobblehead which has but one use, Turn and Look the other way.
John Force has thrown races, made others throw races, manipulated races, ask crew chiefs to blow the tires off the car, or just told drivers to lift off the pedal for years. It's his privately owned business and that is how he chooses to run it from time to time when it benefits JFR. If you've paid money at an event to see a heads up drag race and found out that your driver (Tony Pedregon, Robert Hight, Mike Neff, or others) have been asked not to win by the owner I feel sorry for you. You paid the money with the expectation of seeing your driver accel. That, of course, being side by side drag racing at a competitive peak unmatched and not predetermined in a Castrol hauler or hospitality tent.
I did not pass judgement on John Force here. I am just stating the facts. One could argue that a man can run his business, and thus his money, in any fashion he chooses.
To those who wish to argue these facts I submit that Christmas about 3 months away so go ahead and get the first coat of polish on the John Force star, which I hope you bought with the Graham Light bobblehead which has but one use, Turn and Look the other way.
Huge
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I am only going off of what I have read and heard in the media, but with the way it all went down I don't know if that would have been possible. Usually when the crew chiefs and team managers make split second decisions during a race they usually don't have time to discuss it with the team owner until it's to late to reverse the decision. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in the team meeting back at MWR on Mon morning.
StockersRock
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Waltrip may not have physically made the call, but I highly doubt he was completely oblivious to what was going on. He's always at the track, in the pits, with a radio on. If he was the good guy he acts like he is, he'd have spoke up on that radio and vetoed all that was going on. I'm betting the Monday morning meeting wasn't all that rough with him, but I bet it wasn't fun to talk to Rob Kauffman, his business partner, who largely stays out of the way.
Dale Earnhardt chose a failure, Michael Waltrip, to drive for him in 2001, persuaded NAPA to be his sponsor, made a winner out of him, and Ty Norris (the guy who did make these calls) was Earnhardt's right hand man at DEI. I bet if you were standing over his grave, the night of that race, you'd feel him rolling over in it.
Dale Earnhardt chose a failure, Michael Waltrip, to drive for him in 2001, persuaded NAPA to be his sponsor, made a winner out of him, and Ty Norris (the guy who did make these calls) was Earnhardt's right hand man at DEI. I bet if you were standing over his grave, the night of that race, you'd feel him rolling over in it.
Huge
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Michael said on tv that he backs Ty and that he probably would have made the same decision. But, the point I was trying to get across is that it was a split second decision and there probably wasn't much time to think about the consequences. It looks like you have a lot of doubting and suspecting just like the rest of us. We all have a view, but if we were that fly on the wall then we would know the real truth
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FC138fan
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I had some time to peek around and see if JF talked with anyone about the incident. For the most part, theres not much out there but this quote:
“I will only say I give the fans a show and I go for the championships. That’s my statement. That’s as far as I’ll go with it. (People) can believe what they want to believe. I never said I did and I never said I didn’t. I’ll never say it. Because if I did (say I didn’t intentionally lose) and you believed I did, then I would be a liar to you. If I say I didn’t (intentionally lose), then the other half would say he’s lying. It’s a battle you can’t win."
To JF: I understand what you did and why you did it, and why you are currently pleading the fifth. As a human, I respect you. As a racer... well... I guess from now on I'll consider you less of a racer, and more of a businessman.
Racin’ Today Force Still Pleading Fifth On Taking Indy Dive
Larry jr.
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I was just wondering....... does anyone here know the reason companys use racing as a means to attract comsumers?
Its not to bring new fans to the races its to get the race fans at the track on weekends to see they're product name, and maybe get them to buy the products.
With that being said, why would it matter if a team threw a race, to get the sponsors car to the finals or the checkered flag.
They're seems to be a lot of backward thinking these days, I guess its just par for the course.
Its not to bring new fans to the races its to get the race fans at the track on weekends to see they're product name, and maybe get them to buy the products.
With that being said, why would it matter if a team threw a race, to get the sponsors car to the finals or the checkered flag.
They're seems to be a lot of backward thinking these days, I guess its just par for the course.
Larry jr.
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Of cource I do, I think you missed the point, I mean to say why would anyone really care, they are helping they're team and sponsor so why the big deal over its just racing I mean its not MLB or the NCAA or NFL right.......On the subject of integrity.................In drag racing? or Nascar?...............Integrity? really?
Some people still believe in it. What's the big deal, I guess you don't think millions of dollars and peoples jobs are a big deal?
I think just sad that team owner and I'd bet money MW had headsets like he always does till this crap hit the wall and then he took them off, is willing risk a sponsor just so he can get in the chase. Yes it happens all the time but most teams have the brains to keep it out of the public eye. Just very sad. 100 people already let go at MWR.
I think just sad that team owner and I'd bet money MW had headsets like he always does till this crap hit the wall and then he took them off, is willing risk a sponsor just so he can get in the chase. Yes it happens all the time but most teams have the brains to keep it out of the public eye. Just very sad. 100 people already let go at MWR.
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Huge
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Thank's.
SoCal Racer
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Same here!
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