Hight Makes Fifth Test; Drivers Cry Foul

[70AARCuda]

what a crock of $hit....you think they woulda went through with the test if Light had told them Robert was not allowed to test in an FC for the rest of the year? They asked NHRA for an interpretation of the rule and it was laid down before them and they acted within the boundries of the rules as they were explained to them....how is that their fault?

you dont think forces sponsors....ford the nhra official vehicle had anything to do with nhra changing their minds...???

 

[Bullard Anderson]

It bothers me more that they're switching cars than the testing piece. Hight and Prock have had 16 races to prove they are a top 10 team just like everyone else and they haven't been able to do it. To me this is just like laying down in eliminations. I understand John's thinking and reasoning and the business implications but I still don't agree with it. I know I'll be labeled as a JFR basher but I'm really not. I just don't always agree that putting the business side ahead of the racing side is a good idea. Schumacher did it a few years ago with Bazemore and Scelzi (was it the Seattle race?) and from that day forward he said his cars would race to the finish no matter what. T. Ped and C. Ped ran all out at Brainerd even though C. Ped needed the points. I guarantee that if Hight lines up against Ashley or John in Reading that Hight is getting the win. Like I said I understand why he does it I just don't agree with it. John has done a whole hell of a lot for this sport, but in my opinion, these kinds of things hurt the sport.

I believe you and I think very much a like. Mega teams have a built in advantage with the number of cars, crew, minds, and sponsors. And there's not a Trade Deadline or Waiver Wire in NHRA Drag Racing.

 

[none]

My thoughts are that the rule should be for the team, not the driver. And yes, I know what the original rule said, however think about it like this. What if the NAPA team wanted to test but Ron had wasn't available that day? If you put Beckman in the car would you charge that day to the MTS team? I wouldn't.

Robert's team is out of test days, John's team is not. It is John's team that was testing with Robert at the wheel. And I honestly believe that if any other team had asked to test with a different driver they would be told the same thing. The test would be charged to the team, not the driver.

If they weren’t switching cars, say that John had sponsor meetings and Austin wanted to test, would it be a problem to put Robert in the car in that case? Or what if John had driven the car yesterday and then put Robert in it next week? In my mind both of those would be allowed separately, so why wouldn’t they be allowed together?

Once again, I am sharing my opinion; I am NOT speaking for the NHRA

Alan

 

[jackass]

Personaly.. i think the whole rule as a whole.. new version or the old one has such a gap in it that Ray Charles could drive a semi thru...

Points are given to the drivers.. not the teams and the driver.. so any situation to deduct points from some one or thing for an infraction should be based toward the same way points are given out...

like i said before.. if DSR wanted to they could find a lesser team.. "SAY" they sold them a car and go to a test under the lesser named teams banner and use DSR's crew and driver .. and "Say" they were helping them get use to the car..... or say the SOLD the other team a car and they are having issues and your driver and crew helped them find out what was wrong with the car......so to speak....

Don.. i've giving you ideas here.....lol...


Billy

 

[*******]

Once again, I am sharing my opinion; I am NOT speaking for the NHRA

Alan

Yeah, but your opinion is swayed by the rose colored glasses your wearing. Just saying?

 

[camaro]

Once again, I am sharing my opinion; I am NOT speaking for the NHRA

Alan

and yet your opinion over the years has always been in lock step with the nhra !!

hey i dont blame u for one bit, i wouldn't bite the hand that pays me either, so i'll just assume that when u do disagree with light/compton u just dont do it publicly !

 

[none]

It's no secret who I work for but in this forum I am just discussing issues with the rest of you, and I have been shown to be wrong before and owned up to it.

But please, answer my question. If John had meetings and they had Robert drive in testing would you charge Robert's team with the day, or John's?

Alan

 

[haagar]

So according to the comments made by Robert, even he thought he was out of testing days. So if each driver is allowed 4 days, then on a multi-car team you can just rotate the drivers through each car and maybe even bring in someone like Cory Lee, John Lawson, etc. to get unlimited testing. This could open up many possibilities. NHRA screwed up AGAIN!!!!

No, because according the NHRA "interpretation" of the rule the team is limited to four days. Otherwise you can bet that John, Ashley or Neff would have been testing the AAA car on Monday.

 

[holeshot]

My thoughts are that the rule should be for the team, not the driver. And yes, I know what the original rule said, however think about it like this. What if the NAPA team wanted to test but Ron had wasn't available that day? If you put Beckman in the car would you charge that day to the MTS team? I wouldn't.

Robert's team is out of test days, John's team is not. It is John's team that was testing with Robert at the wheel. And I honestly believe that if any other team had asked to test with a different driver they would be told the same thing. The test would be charged to the team, not the driver.

If they weren’t switching cars, say that John had sponsor meetings and Austin wanted to test, would it be a problem to put Robert in the car in that case? Or what if John had driven the car yesterday and then put Robert in it next week? In my mind both of those would be allowed separately, so why wouldn’t they be allowed together?

Once again, I am sharing my opinion; I am NOT speaking for the NHRA

Alan

well put,i was there and didn't see any one from Hights crew.

 

[paoldtimer]

To me its 6 of one, half-dozen of the other...
JMO but tests should be charged to the team. The team is acquiring the data. Period. If there is a limit for each driver, fine. But if you're talking charging the team, then theoretically a driver could test more than 8 times..depending on the number of "teams" in your stable.

Ask and ye shall receive - that's what John did. NHRA could've said no.

 

[Rajunz]

....................If I got this wrong, someone please explain.....

The rule applies to the TEAM AND (that team's) DRIVER.

The TEAM in question is the Number 7 TEAM, as of Monday, Robert Hight was the DRIVER of the Number 7 TEAM.

................Also, this means that Shoe has the ability to implement the same type of switch, should he decide it is beneficial, right?

Sure could as long as the TEAM in question still has open dates.

 

[shoe]

Alan

The rule is written in black and white. You and I both know why they changed it. Sorry looked at it again. It is all BS.

 

[rollingthunder]

My thoughts are that the rule should be for the team, not the driver. And yes, I know what the original rule said, however think about it like this. What if the NAPA team wanted to test but Ron had wasn't available that day? If you put Beckman in the car would you charge that day to the MTS team? I wouldn't.

Robert's team is out of test days, John's team is not. It is John's team that was testing with Robert at the wheel. And I honestly believe that if any other team had asked to test with a different driver they would be told the same thing. The test would be charged to the team, not the driver.

If they weren’t switching cars, say that John had sponsor meetings and Austin wanted to test, would it be a problem to put Robert in the car in that case? Or what if John had driven the car yesterday and then put Robert in it next week? In my mind both of those would be allowed separately, so why wouldn’t they be allowed together?

Once again, I am sharing my opinion; I am NOT speaking for the NHRA

Alan

Then they would wait and test when the driver for that car is avaliable. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
It all comes down to the same thing. WHO YOU ARE !!
You can try to reason it however you want. If this was anyone other than John Force. It would not fly.

 

[Lori]

My thoughts are that the rule should be for the team, not the driver. And yes, I know what the original rule said, however think about it like this. What if the NAPA team wanted to test but Ron had wasn't available that day? If you put Beckman in the car would you charge that day to the MTS team? I wouldn't.

Robert's team is out of test days, John's team is not. It is John's team that was testing with Robert at the wheel. And I honestly believe that if any other team had asked to test with a different driver they would be told the same thing. The test would be charged to the team, not the driver.

If they weren’t switching cars, say that John had sponsor meetings and Austin wanted to test, would it be a problem to put Robert in the car in that case? Or what if John had driven the car yesterday and then put Robert in it next week? In my mind both of those would be allowed separately, so why wouldn’t they be allowed together?

Once again, I am sharing my opinion; I am NOT speaking for the NHRA

Alan

Then you either cancel or change the sponsor meeting or cancel or change the testing day. I am afraid this will open up a huge can of worms for both NHRA and JFR. As was stated in other posts, at this point in the season no other multi-car team has been given this 'interpretation' and thus the priveledge. It is unfortunate that credibility on behalf of both these parties is now in question. But, they asked for it. Hope they find it worth it.

 

[Lori]

Alan

The rule is written in black and white. You and I both know why they changed it. Sorry looked at it again. It is all BS.

Keep being the tall tree in the NHRA team owner forest Don. You have a lot of respect from many people. I am one of them. It all started with the fine you were forced to pay, and continues to this day.

 

[Paul]

When do the new Ford support vehicles show up in Glendora?

 

[none]

Don,

I respectfully disagree. I believe that if you were in the position that one of your teams needed to test and their driver wasn't able to be there you would be allowed to have another of your drivers fill in. At that point the test would be charged to the team, not the fill-in driver.

I do agree that the way the rule was originally written this is a violation, but I don't believe the intent of the rule was to stop a driver from subbing for another in a case like that. John asked for a clarification and got one. then he put Robert in the car. Otherwise I believe that John would have driven in the test.

If John had driven the car yesterday and then put Robert in it next week, would that be allowed or not?

Just my opinion.

On a different subject, I will be coming to see you in Reading, I have something to share with you. (a good something)

Alan

 

[Bowtie]

But please, answer my question. If John had meetings and they had Robert drive in testing would you charge Robert's team with the day, or John's?

Alan

Both, the rule was written so that each car/team and each driver got 4 test passes.

 

[shoe]

Alan

I respectivley disagree.

I wonder what you are refering to as far as a driver not being available. John was there and watched the testing and from what I heard he also made a pass. I saw photos that showed John there with and without his fire suit on.

To answer your question, of course John could put Robert in the car next week. That is perfectly within the written rules. But I am not sure what the rules are, they seem to change how and when they want them to change so you will have to answer that question.

I will be there on Sunday, we take the daughter to college on Friday. See you on Friday.

 

[mike]

My thoughts are that the rule should be for the team, not the driver. And yes, I know what the original rule said, however think about it like this. What if the NAPA team wanted to test but Ron had wasn't available that day? If you put Beckman in the car would you charge that day to the MTS team? I wouldn't.

Robert's team is out of test days, John's team is not. It is John's team that was testing with Robert at the wheel. And I honestly believe that if any other team had asked to test with a different driver they would be told the same thing. The test would be charged to the team, not the driver.

If they weren’t switching cars, say that John had sponsor meetings and Austin wanted to test, would it be a problem to put Robert in the car in that case? Or what if John had driven the car yesterday and then put Robert in it next week? In my mind both of those would be allowed separately, so why wouldn’t they be allowed together?

Once again, I am sharing my opinion; I am NOT speaking for the NHRA

Alan

thanks for the rational response Alan


I mean, if a manager in baseball asks the ump for an interpretation of the rules and it goes the managers way would baseball fans be mad at the manager for asking the question???...
but its the scourge off all things good in the NHRA, John Force, that asked for the interpretation, so clearly it's his fault not the NHRA's for their inability to understand their own rules (just like it was in the the case Nitrogate)<shrug>