holeshot
Nitro Member
Had suit on all day.Ashley was still there also.I heard him mention they were all going to make passes,but only Hight did.Ran a nice 4.13 second time down track.
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Hight Makes Fifth Test; Drivers Cry Foul
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Bullard Anderson
Nitro Member
maximum of four one-day test sessions. This policy applies to both the team and driver.”
When the NHRA issues this press release and enters the word "and" in between team and driver it would appear to anyone remotely familar with the English language that the NHRA is telling me that a team and a driver can be a seperate entity. In this case Mr. Hight was in the seat on those 4 days, and his current AAA team/car was at the track. Which means while SEPARATE entitys, Robert is out of TESTS, and his AAA Ford is out of TESTS.
I read it back at the beginning of the year to mean that once a driver and his team have used up there 4 day allotment, the guy/gal driver can't go down the street and hop in another man's FUNNY CAR and turn some laps and not be penalized.
If Robert Hight has been in a seat for more than 4 days testing in a Nitro FUNNY CAR he is in violation.
This may be one of the most clear cut, easiest decisions to make. Robert Hight must forfeit points in Reading.
WHEN I READ THE RULE BACK IN THE WINTER, I FELT I KNEW WHAT IT MEANT. MANY OF YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL. IT ONLY TOOK SOMEONE TO CHALLENGE THE RULE TO OPEN IT UP TO INTERPRETATION.
When a sanctioning body does something like this ....well...I tend to not stick out those final 2 2/3 innings of the LLWS game to watch the product at 11pm!
When the NHRA issues this press release and enters the word "and" in between team and driver it would appear to anyone remotely familar with the English language that the NHRA is telling me that a team and a driver can be a seperate entity. In this case Mr. Hight was in the seat on those 4 days, and his current AAA team/car was at the track. Which means while SEPARATE entitys, Robert is out of TESTS, and his AAA Ford is out of TESTS.
I read it back at the beginning of the year to mean that once a driver and his team have used up there 4 day allotment, the guy/gal driver can't go down the street and hop in another man's FUNNY CAR and turn some laps and not be penalized.
If Robert Hight has been in a seat for more than 4 days testing in a Nitro FUNNY CAR he is in violation.
This may be one of the most clear cut, easiest decisions to make. Robert Hight must forfeit points in Reading.
WHEN I READ THE RULE BACK IN THE WINTER, I FELT I KNEW WHAT IT MEANT. MANY OF YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL. IT ONLY TOOK SOMEONE TO CHALLENGE THE RULE TO OPEN IT UP TO INTERPRETATION.
When a sanctioning body does something like this ....well...I tend to not stick out those final 2 2/3 innings of the LLWS game to watch the product at 11pm!
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holeshot
Nitro Member
Also has anyone heard how Terry Edwards is doin.Took a bad spill at finish line in semis,they had to cut the car apart to get him out any info would be great.
Thank you,someone else gets It.
Joker
Nitro Member
Im a big JFR guy, but I think this was wrong. However, if NHRA told them they could do it, I dont see how you can punish him now or blame them. I would have done the same thing if they said ok.
I think NHRA screwed the pooch on this one again and somehow I dont see them letting the other teams do it. We shall see. If I were the other teams I'd be setting up test days.
I think NHRA screwed the pooch on this one again and somehow I dont see them letting the other teams do it. We shall see. If I were the other teams I'd be setting up test days.
Meeks
Nitro Member
"...maximum of four one-day test sessions. This policy applies to both the team and driver.”
Is there a definition for "team"? I don't see anything here regarding the car itself which is where the interpretation begins. I think that Robert clearly violated the rules because it sounds like he personally has already made four one-day test sessions, correct? If this is the case most would argue that his points in the next race need to not count BUT they had specific permission from someone at NHRA who has pretty high authority. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Is there a definition for "team"? I don't see anything here regarding the car itself which is where the interpretation begins. I think that Robert clearly violated the rules because it sounds like he personally has already made four one-day test sessions, correct? If this is the case most would argue that his points in the next race need to not count BUT they had specific permission from someone at NHRA who has pretty high authority. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
What a joke! The rules were clear (CAR AND DRIVER), but yet JFR felt the need to ask the NHRA about the rule. The NHRA shot themselves in the foot making this boneheaded decision. The NHRA keeps on finding ways for people to lose faith in the organization. I am sure they will award Hight points in Maple Grove when the rule clearly states when they go over the limit (CAR AND DRIVER) will not earn points at the next event. I wonder how Castrol feels about this, not only will they not have their main guy in the seat of the Castrol FC, the team is in the middle of a controversy of breaking the rules. I wouldn't be doing anything to jeopardize the relationship with Castrol during these times when companies (including BP) are looking at ways to cut costs. Wouldn't it be ironic if this backfires and John and Robert end up outside the top 10.
John Force does many very good things for many people that we never hear about. It's a shame all of his good work and kindness will be over shadowed by this act. It's just wrong and he knows better. Unless there's a lot on the other side we don't know in the long run it won't be worth the hit he will take from his fans. He's always been a class act and this just shows no class. It not the image that Ford, AAA etc need to show.
Silly Savage
Nitro Member
I've lost all respect for John Force....
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Nitro Member
I like John but at this point I'd love for this to happen.
Unless I am missing something, the NHRA really screwed the pooch on this one. Let's look at a hypothetical situation here and you will see the flawed logic of this decision by the NHRA.
Let's hypothetically say that JF has already clinched a countdown berth and RH is on the outside looking in. Since the points go with the driver, JF now has taken the Prock combo that wouldn't pan out all season and inserted it into his already clinched spot. Now the Coil combo that has already clinched has an opportunity to carry RH into the top 10.
This was a MAJOR screw up by the NHRA and you can bet you haven't heard the last of this one.
If I got this wrong, someone please explain.....
Let's hypothetically say that JF has already clinched a countdown berth and RH is on the outside looking in. Since the points go with the driver, JF now has taken the Prock combo that wouldn't pan out all season and inserted it into his already clinched spot. Now the Coil combo that has already clinched has an opportunity to carry RH into the top 10.
This was a MAJOR screw up by the NHRA and you can bet you haven't heard the last of this one.
If I got this wrong, someone please explain.....
clwill
Nitro Member
The rules are pretty clear here, it's chassis. There's a whole section of the rule book devoted to when you can and cannot replace a car, and it revolves around the chassis. (That's why people will, for example, completely rebuild a car that burns up on Sunday and just just trot out the backup.) So I think the key element to "a car" is "the chassis".
I was thinking the same thing.
I hope the chassis #s were checked prior to the test but what is stopping them from switching around chassis and bodies? They no doubt have dozens of them.
If NHRA blessed this test, then more power to JFR to exploit it.
clwill
Nitro Member
This isn't hypothetical, that's precisely what has happened.
I thought Force was in the #8 spot and didn't clinch yet. ?
clwill
Nitro Member
True, but he as a 108 point lead on the #11 driver, so he has to pretty much screw the pooch in the next two races to not clinch. If my math is right, he just needs to qualify and win one round in either race to guarantee a clinch. Or get some help from others...
turbo ken
Nitro Member
John waited way too long to do something about the lack of performance of Roberts car, he should have shook things up right after the Bristol DNQ (it was practically in the middle of the countdown to 10) and there were probably some testing days left. John wouldn't have to be backed into a corner, and all this hoopla could have been avoided. Personaly I think Robert is all ready screwed, unless he has a miracle weekend at Indy.
