Huge
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Kevin, it sounds like you must have an inside scoop here...so can you share with us which drivers told you this interesting info?
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Four-Wide It still stinks
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........havent watched and dont care to. I poke around here to see whats going on and then back to the local track for some fun. 
paoldtimer
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E.G. I too missed the RT's but there is only so much time before the next quad burnouts. Over all I think the TV coverage was great. I like it live, and on TV.
Can't wait till Mr. Smith puts in the other two lanes in Vegas.
IF that happens, that will end my trips to Vegas for sure!
I always find it interesting how people have such a hard time dealing with change. Whether they're unable or unwilling to accept it, or both. Let me give you some examples. Golf purists absolutely despise match play. Golfer A plays against golfer B. Golfer A shoots a 67 and golfer B shoots a 68 and gets eliminated. Meanwhile, golfer C plays golfer D. Golfer C shoots a 71 and golfer D shoots a 72, and golfer C gets to advance even though he shot 3 shots worse than golfer B who was eliminated. Both golf fans and players think this is completely absurd and should never happen.
In drag racing, it happens all the time and we are just fine with it. Car A runs a 3.77 and beats car B who ran a 3.85. Car C and D race each other and it's a peddle fest and car C wins 4.60 to 4.95. It's funny how we as drag racing fans have absolutely no problem whatsoever that car C is advancing to the next round with a 4.60 yet, car B is eliminated after running a 3.85. Why are drag racing fans okay with this scenario but golf fans are not? I think it's truly just because it's what they are used to, or better still, this is the way it's always been.
I think it would be hilarious to see the reactions from NASCAR fans if they decided to have one race a year where they take the #1 qualified car and race them heads up against the #40 qualifier for a predetermined amount of laps. (I know there are 43 cars that qualify for a NASCAR race, I was just picking an even number) Take the #2 qualifier and race him heads up against the #39 qualifier, and so on until the field is whittled down to the final 2.
The NASCAR fans would complain that it's not a real race when only 2 cars are running, you need all 43 on the track. Conversely, drag racing fans say 4 cars is not a real race, you need to have just 2 on the track to be a real race.
There are plenty of people who are either casual, semi, or hardcore fans of all 3 of the sports I mentioned above. They are just fine with the way each sport determines a winner, yet you change the rules just a bit on one of them and there is a huge backlash, even though the rule change makes determing a winner of this sport similar to the other two that they watch.
In drag racing, it happens all the time and we are just fine with it. Car A runs a 3.77 and beats car B who ran a 3.85. Car C and D race each other and it's a peddle fest and car C wins 4.60 to 4.95. It's funny how we as drag racing fans have absolutely no problem whatsoever that car C is advancing to the next round with a 4.60 yet, car B is eliminated after running a 3.85. Why are drag racing fans okay with this scenario but golf fans are not? I think it's truly just because it's what they are used to, or better still, this is the way it's always been.
I think it would be hilarious to see the reactions from NASCAR fans if they decided to have one race a year where they take the #1 qualified car and race them heads up against the #40 qualifier for a predetermined amount of laps. (I know there are 43 cars that qualify for a NASCAR race, I was just picking an even number) Take the #2 qualifier and race him heads up against the #39 qualifier, and so on until the field is whittled down to the final 2.
The NASCAR fans would complain that it's not a real race when only 2 cars are running, you need all 43 on the track. Conversely, drag racing fans say 4 cars is not a real race, you need to have just 2 on the track to be a real race.
There are plenty of people who are either casual, semi, or hardcore fans of all 3 of the sports I mentioned above. They are just fine with the way each sport determines a winner, yet you change the rules just a bit on one of them and there is a huge backlash, even though the rule change makes determing a winner of this sport similar to the other two that they watch.
mike
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it isn't in the least bit about "dealing with change" 
it is about what I like and what I don't...and I don't like the 4-wide. IMO it is very contrived and makes for a far worse event...
why is it when someone doesn't like something about NHRA racing there are always some that feel the need to tell them why they are wrong about there dislike???
it is about what I like and what I don't...and I don't like the 4-wide. IMO it is very contrived and makes for a far worse event...why is it when someone doesn't like something about NHRA racing there are always some that feel the need to tell them why they are wrong about there dislike???
mick
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great post frank, thanks.
jackass
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Kevin, it sounds like you must have an inside scoop here...so can you share with us which drivers told you this interesting info?
Eugene... just hang around and just listen you will hear the same rumblings.. i have... no reason to call anyone person out on it... specialy when they have to work in that deal and they are trying to be politicaly correct on the deal.... lol
disagreeing with any org can cause issues for you or the team.... ask Brad K in Cup racing...lol..
it isn't in the least bit about "dealing with change"
why is it when someone doesn't like something about NHRA racing there are always some that feel the need to tell them why they are wrong about there dislike???
Most of it is a reaction to the whole "4 wide sucks" crowd, whose venom seems to be out of proportion to the actual problem. It's more than just dislike, it's downright rage and hate, and they seem to be VERY vocal about it.
Yes Houston, some call the 4-WIDE a circus, but if you ask me this "live TV" thing has fiasco written all over it. Don't get me wrong, I hope it does work, but there are so many things that can go wrong. And for what gain?? Just to see it live instead of a couple hr. delay.
I'll take 4-wide over a live broadcast any time.
Live Semis & Finals compared to the Old TNN Live Finals?
d'kid
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If you say so.... don't hunt golfs, puck hockys, dribble on my ball, or stop anything short.... don't *uck with drag racing... won't grow the sport, you will just loose a 50 year fan....
d'kid
d'kid
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Let me put it this way... mess with my wife and kids, you are history...
mess with the only sport I watch... don't need you in my life anymore...
And I thought 4 wide was the trailer Mr. Smith lived in...
d'kid
Kevin, it sounds like you must have an inside scoop here...so can you share with us which drivers told you this interesting info?
After the first 4 wide there was no shortage of drivers and owners who objected to it. Pro came out against it and as I recall made a threat. Quietly Mr. Smith and NHRA called the objectors to the "woodshed" and they quickly began to withdraw objections and sing the company song. At least that's the way I remember it but I've been wrong before.
It was like the final straw for me. I used to go to as many as 18 races each year. After the 4 wide and with the rumors of Las Vegas going that way I cancelled that trip. When it came time to book reservations for the next year I went to 4 races. Since then I've been to a total of 3 but none in the last 2 years with none planned othr than the reunions and a nostalgia race occassionally. So I went from purchasing at least 108 admission tickets and usually 150 tickets along with t-shirts, food, drinks and who knows what else at the races. Plus there was rental cars, airlines, hotels, food, drinks and so on away from the track. The first year I felt like I had won the lottery by staying home.
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Huge
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Thank's for your response, John, and you are right about the first race, there was a few drivers that wasn't very excited about it, but my understanding is that he is talking about now, and now it is just another race on the schedule for most of the teams that I know.
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IIRC after the first 4 wide PRO voted 62/64 saying they'd never do it again. One of the line dissenters was Warren Johnson, surprisingly enough. That lasted for about a week, I remember Bruton Smith saying that maybe IHRA would be free that weekend.
Thanks for making my point for me, Internet tough guy.
It is indeed just another race but if asked and they could answer without fear of reprisal my guess is there would still be a good number who would like to see it go away.
d'kid
Nitro Member
Okay... In plain English, Mr. Smith can run all the Four Wide events he wants, No Problem, I just don't feel it should be for points..
d'kid
d'kid
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That's not being a tough guy... It's called a fifty year fan not watching a SHOW from a track... same choice you make every time you walk into a place of business. You no longer have the product I want, I will find it somewhere else.
Thanks
d'kid
Personally, I don't understand why anyone would want to pay the same price and see half the amount of racing. Is it twice as loud? A nitro car pass is mighty impressive. So you go there to watch rounds. Instead of 15 you get seven.
In four seconds you barely have time to pay attention to two cars, let alone four. Ever watch from near the finish line? You literally don't have time to take your eyes off of one car to focus on the other.
Myself... I would actually like to see all singles, at least in qualifying. (What would be even better, is if they made the same kind of noise but took 15 seconds to make the run. Can you imagine the starting line rush you'd get?)
I'll be surprised if it's still around in two years.
In four seconds you barely have time to pay attention to two cars, let alone four. Ever watch from near the finish line? You literally don't have time to take your eyes off of one car to focus on the other.
Myself... I would actually like to see all singles, at least in qualifying. (What would be even better, is if they made the same kind of noise but took 15 seconds to make the run. Can you imagine the starting line rush you'd get?)
I'll be surprised if it's still around in two years.
my friends call me Zappy
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Lets see maybe I'm wrong but,...
1st rd - 16 cars go down = just like 2-wide
2nd rd - 8 cars go down = just like 2-wide
3rd rd - 4 cars go down = just like 2-wide
TOTAL 28 RUNS
2-WIDE HAS 1 MORE PAIR OF 2 CARS
TOTAL 30 RUNS
1st rd - 16 cars go down = just like 2-wide
2nd rd - 8 cars go down = just like 2-wide
3rd rd - 4 cars go down = just like 2-wide
TOTAL 28 RUNS
2-WIDE HAS 1 MORE PAIR OF 2 CARS
TOTAL 30 RUNS
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